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Westminstenders: Waiting for a Valentines Miracle

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RedToothBrush · 29/01/2019 23:50

Guess what folks, we get to do it all over again for Valentine's Day!

Bet you are all looking forward to that.

May has already been told by the EU its a non-starter, and with there being a vote scheduled again in a fortnight, there is little incentive for the EU to shift. And every incentive to just let us stew and think things over.

We are trying to renege on what we signed up to with the Withdrawal Agreement. Which only proves the EU needs the Backstop. Our credibility as a nation to do deals with is shot through the floor. With everyone but those who think they can stitch us up at least.

There is one key development with the latest vote:

The emergence of a new Brexit voting block within Labour, I believe led by Carole Flint. They are supporting Brexit and are prepared to vote with the government and against the Labour Whip.

This negates the Tory Rebel block, meaning May has a majority if she has the ERG on board - this being a big if, of course.

Many other potential rebels who threatened to quit from government, were detered from doing so by a promise from May and the promise that they had another show down on the 14th they could use to block No Deal.

In not quiting they are showing they are committed to some deal brokered by May and not an alternative by Parliament. This is important. There may be no realistic opportunity for anything else to be realistically be tabled by anyone else now.

I don't think they will quit now, if they can see a potential deal present itself.

The way forward now looks to be the Withdrawal Agreement or No Deal only. Keep this in mind and in focus. This will become an increasing pressure and increasingly definitive. Revoke is still on the table, but I just can't see May doing it. Ever.

Whether May can get the EU to back down on the backstop seems unlikely. Its going to be more backwards and forwards on it. Before it becomes obvious its going nowhere. Its just theatre.

What the ERG do next is important. My best guess is they will split into No Deal Hardliners and last minute WA Compromisers. This will leave May short of a majority, but not as far as she has been especially with Labour resolve weakening. I think she may yet get her deal over the line with Labour support of some sort. Probably unofficial rather than direct from public instruction the front bench.

Here's the logic: Corbyn has said he will now discuss matter with her. He still wants to pin Brexit on her and destroy her, but he still wants Brexit and he still wants to keep the Labour Party together despite its differences over Brexit. All without making a clear Labour policy. How does he do this?

The same way he handled the Immigration Bill is possibly the best guess. Plus how can he stop his rebels...? {innocent face emojy} He gets to look tough against May outwardly and make lots of Remainy noises without more outward support for a particular policy. Those awful stupid Northerner MP (or MPs from backward towns if you live in the Metropolian North) who know nothing and screwed Remainia. It plays people off along splits in society, in the hope they don't notice Corbyn really orchestrated it. His MPs in leave areas get to look Leave without consequence, and if it all goes wrong he still get to pin it on May. Thus saving his marginals in both the North and the South 'cos those evil Tories'. And he does stop No Deal in the process. Yes, call me cynical, but thats how he could try and game it. Ultimately Corbyn and May do have certain aligned mutual interests, afterall.

And given there are few alternatives now there apart from Revoke or No Deal, once you think it through doesn't seem as far fetched as it initally sounds. Corbyn certainly seems to have form for it. His priorities are his Party, managing his north / south cultural divide and being seen to kick the Tories.

It'll go to the wire whatever happens, and its hard to see many ways out of this now. We are running out of time, opportunities and options. Of course, this works for May and has been her plan for some time. The question is merely, if she is serious about preventing no deal (and I believe she is) how she persuades either the ERG or Labour to back her.

Afterall, after the WA is done and dusted there is still everything to play for.

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BigChocFrenzy · 31/01/2019 01:17

No, he isn't
He's opposing the backstop to make life difficult for May and to pander to the DUP enough for them (in his dreams) to support a GE

BigChocFrenzy · 31/01/2019 01:18

He's not consulting with NI parties or Dublin
just plotting how to get into power

MrsLettuce · 31/01/2019 01:26

Yeah, I should have known that Sad

usuallydormant · 31/01/2019 06:37

So Raab hasn't read the GFA. Apparently it's not exactly a cracking read. He has delved into from time to time though. Ffs. It's 32 pages long btw.

twitter.com/GPDoran/status/1090739338474860545?s=09

DGRossetti · 31/01/2019 06:43

All this speak of a backstop in the WA ... didn't the UK sign up to a separate backstop in Dec 2017 - the one where DD winked and said "We don't really mean it" ????

So that WA or no WA, the UK is already committed to some sort of backstop ?

DGRossetti · 31/01/2019 06:47

Meanwhile, not Brexit related, but to add to the mood music.

Wrongly imprisoned for 12 years ?
Deserve compensation ?

Fuck off.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sam-hallam-victor-nealon-supreme-court-prison-compensation-miscarriage-justice-a8754661.html

Two men who between them spent 24 years in prison before their convictions were overturned are not entitled to compensation, judges have ruled.

(contd)

Apparently they weren't "innocent enough".

Oh, and don't forget, you have to pay for your board and lodging in prison.

DGRossetti · 31/01/2019 07:01

Investment in car industry halved. For me what is more interesting is what is not in that article. The BBC chose not to put in anything from a Brexiteer about unicorns shitting gold - there's no "upside" angle crowbarred into the narrative.

Tick tock.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47055188

Investment in the UK car sector almost halved last year and output tumbled as Brexit fears put firms on "red alert", the industry's trade body said.

Inward investment fell 46.5% to £588.6m last year from £1.1bn in 2017, the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) says.

Production fell 9.1% to 1.52m vehicles, with output for the UK and for export falling 16.3% and 7.3% respectively.

Brexit uncertainty has "done enormous damage", said SMMT chief Mike Hawes.

But the impact so far on output, investment and jobs "is nothing compared with the permanent devastation caused by severing our frictionless trade links overnight, not just with the EU but with the many other global markets with which we currently trade freely," he added.

(contd)

RedToothBrush · 31/01/2019 07:43

www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-01-30/eu-is-said-ready-to-push-u-k-near-point-of-no-return-on-brexit?__twitter_impression=true
EU Ready to Push U.K. Near Point of No-Return on Brexit, Diplomats Say

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LonelyandTiredandLow · 31/01/2019 07:44

Trying to understand our current position. Nothing has changed other than all of Labour see JC as betraying them and we don't have any other advances?

RedToothBrush · 31/01/2019 07:48

m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/fresh-food-no-deal-brexit_uk_5c51d406e4b0d9f9be6bb33c/?__twitter_impression=true
No-Deal Brexit: Fresh Fruit And Veg Will Rot At The Border, Supplier Warns
Industry faces "disaster" as only root vegetables may be on sale, and cost of ready meals could surge.

Jess Brammar @ jessbrammer
.@bissieness spoke to a fruit and veg supplier that supplies hospitals and schools in Nottingham as well as lots of ready meals and he explained why he thinks a no deal could lead to fresh food rotting at border

He’s just one man, one business, but it’s a good read that explains why people are saying they are worried about shortages in the days or weeks after a no-deal brexit. I’ve found a lot of the reporting around it has assumed knowledge of how supply chains work

We will be accused of scaremongering. We’re reporting what business we have spoken to have told us.

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RedToothBrush · 31/01/2019 07:49

James O'brien @ mrjamesob
Brexit latest: We coped perfectly well before cars were invented.

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lonelyplanetmum · 31/01/2019 07:51

We coped perfectly well before cars were invented.

🐎 🐎 🐎

Jason118 · 31/01/2019 07:55

Is it ok to ride on unicorns?

Destiel · 31/01/2019 07:56

My primus stove arrived yesterday.

Stockpiling casa destiel continues.

My leave voting neighbour works in the car industry.

I'd be very surprised if he still has a job by the summer, whatever happens.

boldlygoingsomewhere · 31/01/2019 07:59

Who knew that prepping for Brexit might include the need for a horse or two?

There are a lot of things we ‘coped’ with in the past - lack of medicine and food for one. These narratives conveniently forget that a lot of the population weren’t ‘coping’ and the death toll was high. Brexit...taking us even further back in time. Hmm

derxa · 31/01/2019 08:16

James O'brien @ mrjamesob Brexit latest: We coped perfectly well before cars were invented.
What an arse that man is. Is he the Remainer poster boy on here?

Spudlet · 31/01/2019 08:20

I'm set, I've got the horsey contacts 😏

So long, pedestrian suckerz Grin

BiglyBadgers · 31/01/2019 08:21

James O'brien @ mrjamesob Brexit latest: We coped perfectly well before cars were invented.
What an arse that man is. Is he the Remainer poster boy on here?

Ummmm....it was a joke. He's incredibly critical of the brexit shitshow. Take a look at his twitter.

RedToothBrush · 31/01/2019 08:21

What an arse that man is. Is he the Remainer poster boy on here?

Er no. I think he's a sexist arse.

But he's got a point.

I post comments from leavers and Remainers from people I like and dislike and people I agree with and disagree with.

I know in 2019 this is a novelty especially on social media.

But y'know it helps you understand the whole picture.

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SingingBabooshkaBadly · 31/01/2019 08:22

Jeremy Wright pressed about ninety million times by Naga Munchetty to give the top three examples of alternatives to the backstop. His examples are a time limited backstop, a way to end the backstop and an alternative to the backstop. She gives up and asks for one example of an alternative. He replies there are a number of alternatives. She asks for one. And repeat...

BiglyBadgers · 31/01/2019 08:23

Well, that posted early.

I can't see that he's being an arse to be honest, rather reflecting the current brexiteer view point.

derxa · 31/01/2019 08:24

Ummmm....it was a joke. He's incredibly critical of the brexit shitshow. Take a look at his twitter. Goodness me I know that.

Pepvixen · 31/01/2019 08:27

O'Brien is a sexist arse but he's not a Brexiter at all. That quote is satire. He's as remain as they come.

BiglyBadgers · 31/01/2019 08:30

Goodness me I know that.

Well, it's early and your vehemence about an innocuous and mildly amusing comment made me doubt that you did.

QueenieInFrance · 31/01/2019 08:50

EU Ready to Push U.K. Near Point of No-Return on Brexit, Diplomats Say
I agree with that view.

I can only see two things happening.
The HoC keeps voting against the WA and we get No Deal
The HoC shit itself and finally vote for the deal with the 11th hour.

Now çan someone reminds me what is the deadline to acceptbthe WA. I though it was somewhere in October/November (we’ve clearly passed that) so until when can we carry on dittering like this?
Basically can we wait until the 29th March to sign the bloody thing?