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Westminstenders: Waiting for a Valentines Miracle

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RedToothBrush · 29/01/2019 23:50

Guess what folks, we get to do it all over again for Valentine's Day!

Bet you are all looking forward to that.

May has already been told by the EU its a non-starter, and with there being a vote scheduled again in a fortnight, there is little incentive for the EU to shift. And every incentive to just let us stew and think things over.

We are trying to renege on what we signed up to with the Withdrawal Agreement. Which only proves the EU needs the Backstop. Our credibility as a nation to do deals with is shot through the floor. With everyone but those who think they can stitch us up at least.

There is one key development with the latest vote:

The emergence of a new Brexit voting block within Labour, I believe led by Carole Flint. They are supporting Brexit and are prepared to vote with the government and against the Labour Whip.

This negates the Tory Rebel block, meaning May has a majority if she has the ERG on board - this being a big if, of course.

Many other potential rebels who threatened to quit from government, were detered from doing so by a promise from May and the promise that they had another show down on the 14th they could use to block No Deal.

In not quiting they are showing they are committed to some deal brokered by May and not an alternative by Parliament. This is important. There may be no realistic opportunity for anything else to be realistically be tabled by anyone else now.

I don't think they will quit now, if they can see a potential deal present itself.

The way forward now looks to be the Withdrawal Agreement or No Deal only. Keep this in mind and in focus. This will become an increasing pressure and increasingly definitive. Revoke is still on the table, but I just can't see May doing it. Ever.

Whether May can get the EU to back down on the backstop seems unlikely. Its going to be more backwards and forwards on it. Before it becomes obvious its going nowhere. Its just theatre.

What the ERG do next is important. My best guess is they will split into No Deal Hardliners and last minute WA Compromisers. This will leave May short of a majority, but not as far as she has been especially with Labour resolve weakening. I think she may yet get her deal over the line with Labour support of some sort. Probably unofficial rather than direct from public instruction the front bench.

Here's the logic: Corbyn has said he will now discuss matter with her. He still wants to pin Brexit on her and destroy her, but he still wants Brexit and he still wants to keep the Labour Party together despite its differences over Brexit. All without making a clear Labour policy. How does he do this?

The same way he handled the Immigration Bill is possibly the best guess. Plus how can he stop his rebels...? {innocent face emojy} He gets to look tough against May outwardly and make lots of Remainy noises without more outward support for a particular policy. Those awful stupid Northerner MP (or MPs from backward towns if you live in the Metropolian North) who know nothing and screwed Remainia. It plays people off along splits in society, in the hope they don't notice Corbyn really orchestrated it. His MPs in leave areas get to look Leave without consequence, and if it all goes wrong he still get to pin it on May. Thus saving his marginals in both the North and the South 'cos those evil Tories'. And he does stop No Deal in the process. Yes, call me cynical, but thats how he could try and game it. Ultimately Corbyn and May do have certain aligned mutual interests, afterall.

And given there are few alternatives now there apart from Revoke or No Deal, once you think it through doesn't seem as far fetched as it initally sounds. Corbyn certainly seems to have form for it. His priorities are his Party, managing his north / south cultural divide and being seen to kick the Tories.

It'll go to the wire whatever happens, and its hard to see many ways out of this now. We are running out of time, opportunities and options. Of course, this works for May and has been her plan for some time. The question is merely, if she is serious about preventing no deal (and I believe she is) how she persuades either the ERG or Labour to back her.

Afterall, after the WA is done and dusted there is still everything to play for.

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Butterymuffin · 29/01/2019 23:55

Thanks Red. Sigh.

SustainableOhYes · 29/01/2019 23:56

Place mat king

Gin
Peregrina · 29/01/2019 23:57

Place mat king too.

Lisette1940 · 29/01/2019 23:59

PMK

Hazardswans · 30/01/2019 00:00

Ta red

AutumnCrow · 30/01/2019 00:01

I watched in despair.

Tonsilss · 30/01/2019 00:01

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wherearemychickens · 30/01/2019 00:02

What did we all do to deserve this?

TheABC · 30/01/2019 00:03

Places cat on king.
Just for variety.

Quietrebel · 30/01/2019 00:40

Thanks Red.
I'm now mostly feeling tired... all this energy and valuable resources wasted on a turd whilst the country is getting worse and worse.
Tonight I found a letter from the PTA at my DDs school asking us to sign a petition for more police presence in our area. It's a lovely leafy area you really wouldn't associate with violent crimes and yet in the last 12 months:
2 of DDs teachers were violently attacked (one of them required hospital treatment for over a month and will have permanent scars), endemic muggings in broad daylight, a few stabbings, attempted abductions, car thefts with gbh, burglaries (so many we've lost count, that includes my own house).
The police are brutally understaffed. I dread to think what it'll be like in a few months. As I said it's actually a nice area. Anyone else noticed how it's clearly and very rapidly deteriorated?

Quietrebel · 30/01/2019 00:44

Sorry for the derail. I'm just really concerned nobody is actually governing right now.

IsobelKarev · 30/01/2019 00:46

PMK

And a question - I'm currently a citizen of the EU. I want to remain a citizen of the EU. Anyone know of anyone I can write to/email to beg them to allow me to remain a citizen if the EU? I don't mind moving to a different country. But I really like being part of the EU and with only English family on all sides I'm starting to feel a bit desperate.

TheNumberfaker · 30/01/2019 00:48

I think the worst thing for me is Labour rebels saving May’s deal. It’s not so much party before country, it’s keeping their own jobs safe before country...

Inniu · 30/01/2019 00:49

Isobel, move to Ireland and after 5 years you can apply for Citizenship. Open to all British citizens for as long as the Common Travel Area remains

IsobelKarev · 30/01/2019 00:49

Innui are Ireland short of physics teachers?

Tonsilss · 30/01/2019 00:51

Is that London, Quietrebel? Where we are, small town, it feels pretty safe, but God knows what'll happen after Brexit.

Inniu · 30/01/2019 00:58

Funnily enough I think there is a general shortage of teachers here and they have way less admin to do here according to my crossborder teaching in laws

Quietrebel · 30/01/2019 00:58

A commuter town @tonsilss.
We've been there for over 10 years and it was really safe. It seems to have changed only very recently.

HesterShaw21 · 30/01/2019 00:59

Graeme Keyes on the Brexit impasse

Westminstenders: Waiting for a Valentines Miracle
SleightOfMind · 30/01/2019 01:01

I always finish work too late to join in with the fun stuff but I saw two very good things today and thought of you lot Grin

A refreshing dose of the facts:

www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/11/tweeted-history-britain-eu-gone-viral-funny-infuriating-true/

And a take on the (1st) vote of NC debacle that made me laugh:

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1062983853260918784.html

Inniu · 30/01/2019 01:01

www.irishtimes.com/news/education/only-six-graduates-in-training-to-be-physics-teachers-1.3307535?mode=amp

Shortage of physics teacher could derail government strategy.

You are sorted so

OlennasWimple · 30/01/2019 01:05

Thanks again Red

IsobelKarev · 30/01/2019 01:06

Thanks inniu, and sorry for getting you name wrong earlier! I need to get my qualifications recognised first, then start looking for jobs. I'm still hoping that it won't be necessary, but I think getting my application to the teaching council is a good plan.

Can't believe I'm seriously thinking of leaving the UK, but I really don't want to hang around and find out if Brexit is anything other than a clusterfuck. Helping my friend apply for a job in Germany tonight (she has an Irish passport through her DM) has really focussed my mind!

JaneHare · 30/01/2019 01:07

I'm self-identifying as a Leaver. I think I'll feel better if I go around ranting "leave means leave, why haven't we left yet?"

Quietrebel · 30/01/2019 01:09

hester 🤣
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