I am thinking EU should lift their backstop demand (Irish MNers?)

[YeOldeTrout]

Bear with me, I'm a rabid pro-EU person & Remainer, actually.

But if UK leaves on 'No Deal' we're going to have hard border in Ireland from 29/30 March 2019, anyway. If EU allows removal of backstop, there's (how ever long) transition period of UK abiding by GFA and no hard border, until end 2020 or end 2021 maybe. GFA may be screwed over after that given the parlous talents of UK to negotiate with EU, but at least there's a few extra yrs of peace and stability in Ireland first.

I know it's not EU policy to be like children 'kick the can down the road', but it's the lesser of evils, if removing Backstop demand could get WA approved by UK Parliament now.

EU will only lift Backstop if Ireland agrees. Would Ireland prefer hard-border. Is EU too proud? EU should only do this with mega-plans about supporting Ireland in threatened legal action of GFA violated at end of transition period.

Thoughts from Irish (including Norn) MNers?

How is taking over another country "helping out". It's the most ridiculous fucking idea I have seen on here for ages.

Hesta54 - yes, so was America, India, Canada, Australia, huge lumps of France and a huge number of other countries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Perhaps we could 'rejoin' with them too?

I honestly haven't read anything so ridiculous in a very long time.

How is taking over another country "helping out". It's the most ridiculous fucking idea I have seen on here for ages.

In a week when the NI border is to be patrolled by inspecting everyones social media posts (I know some folk thought I was joking yesterday) it's actually one of the less away with the fairy ideas being floated.

MargoLovebutter Just trying to think outside of the box, the EU seem to want to keep NI

No, the EU do not want to keep NI. The EU wants to ensure that there is provision made for a border between the EU and the UK if the UK does not remain in the customs union and there is no trade agreement in place etc etc etc. How is this hard to understand?

That is just such a fucking stupid arrogant idea. Illustrates why the Leave voters put the UK into this disastrous situation - and then expects the Remainers and/or other countries to get them out of it.

They can fuck off. It is the UK's responsibility. No, it is the Leave voters's responsibility.

As Tusk so eloquently, and heartfeltly said, "[he has] been wondering what that special place in hell looks like, for those who promoted Brexit, without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it out safely."

MargoLovebutter Much the same way as Ireland should join the U.K. untill the trade deal is agreed, if it works for The EU it should work for the U.K. , no hard borders

prettybird You can see why the majority of the U.K. hates the EU with comments like that’

Just the pesky and inconvenient fact that support in Ireland for the EU is 92% - and growing

Pesky Irish and their high falutin' ideas of sovereignty, self determination and independence Anyone would think that they weren't an invaded colony any more.

I’m Irish, but living in the UK.

Short answer: no.

It’s not the duty of Ireland to serve the UK.

The British electorate made this problem, due to the failures of the British ruling class.

Quite frankly, ireland has spent plenty of history basically serving the needs of our larger neighbour. Not any more.

Nope Hesta , I don't see.

And anyway, I live in Scotland where the vast majority support the EU. And demographically, you can't put your statement in the present tense any more: the majority of those that voted in 2016 voted to Leave. You can't say definitively that the majority today hate the EU.

Quite apart from the fact that the question on the ballot paper in 2016 was not "Do you hate the EU?"

And I'll turn it back on hesta to say that it is a compliment to the forgiving nature of the majority of the Irish that they don't hate the UK after stupid fucking ideas like they should give up their sovereignty - even for a short period - just to help the UK out of a clusterfuck of its own making

I'd be positively fizzing if I were Irish.

prettybird What about the million + fellow Scottish people who want to leave the EU are you going to trap them in the EU

OMG, I can only think you are being deliberately goady Hesta54. What you are saying makes absolutely no sense.

I actually thought you were trying to wind us all up Hesta but now I'm not too sure. I honestly don't know which worse that someone could make this ridiculous comment as a joke or to honestly think it's a good idea. Ireland was invaded by England, it was raped and pillaged for hundreds of years. The Irish people were starved to death or chained into slavery. They fought for years to be free from their captors and many died trying . So no Ireland won't simply 'rejoin' the Uk just for your convenience.

Voila212 It’s not just for my convenience, I’m sorry for how my fellow countryman may have acted, but how far do you want to go back

By your own criteria Hesta , when you said there should have been a 60% threshold (for which I will give you credit - even if you are then totally illogical in your blind acceptance of an advisory referendum ), that threshold was more than achieved in Scotland with 62% voting Remain (and that's despite some stupid pro-EU voters in Scotland voting Leave, assuming Remain would win, so that they could stick one on that bitch Sturgeon )

And before you ask, I also think there should be a threshold if and when Indyref2 is held.

Sadly, I don't believe Hesta is kidding on. I'm stunned that anyone thinks for one minute that a free, independent nation who only threw off 700 of oppression (to put it lightly) less than 100 years ago would ever want to compromise itself to serve the desires of the oppressors government. Mind.blown.

TaimaandRanyasBestFriend Different times, nobody who was involved then are alive now, let’s move on like the Irish nation has, we don’t want to go back to the dark days, we need an answer to the border

Well my city was burned to the ground by the black and tans in 1920 and there were plenty of other atrocities done not even a hundred years ago. So how far back is too far back in England's eyes. Ireland didn't become a republic until 1948 and now you want us to give back out sovereignty to sort out a mess of your own creation. It might be easy to brush history aside but in Ireland we are taught in dept about the past between Ireland and England and it not an easy read, the abuses are many and it wasn't that long ago either.

Sadly, I don't believe Hesta is kidding on. I'm stunned that anyone thinks for one minute that a free, independent nation who only threw off 700 of oppression (to put it lightly) less than 100 years ago would ever want to compromise itself to serve the desires of the oppressors government. Mind.blown.

A casual glance of true tales on darwinawards.com/ would show how easy it is to underestimate stupidity. Even with confirmed newspaper reports, you'd refuse to believe some of those stories at times ....

How far back do you want to go?

How about 1998 and the signing of the Good Friday Agreement? Hesta were you alive then?

Focalpoint Of course I was, wish I was that age again, trying to respect the GFA, but both sides have said there will be no hard border

Hesta, your solution to a mess of the UK's making is for Ireland to be subsumed by the UK. That is absolutely ridiculous. It's not even "blue sky thinking ". It's fucking offensive thinking.

DGRossetti Unfortunately with all the fake news about and untruths and damn right lies, it’s hard to know who to believe