Response to last thread
I'll have a browse of Westminstenders where is it?
"Graphista , those are excellent FAQs. Apart from it being a bit annoying for you personally after your work, I wish the government would put them on the gov.uk website" I'd be fine with that - as long as they credit me!
"There is the mantra that we're only ever four meals away from anarchy. And remembering the riots of 2011, sometimes we don't even need that" I think this is especially true now we're in an era of instant gratification with about a generation & a half in this country who've NEVER experienced a widespread food shortage.
Falcon5 thank you for your honesty. That's the reality of these situations - money talks!
"Graphista loving your work on this thread come and check out Westministenders. It's not all serious. There's swearing, and pets" thank you, swearing right up my street! 😂 this feels a bit like being invited to an exclusive club.
"sure it may be uncomfortable at first" another "let them eat cake" type comment. It may be "uncomfortable" for those with money & resources to manage, for those ONLY JUST managing NOW it'll be health damaging!
"how on earth would the country have survived two world wars with attitudes like this" many didn't! And I don't mean soldiers or those bombed either. Why do you think clement Attlee and the introduction of the welfare state was so welcomed? My 4 grandparents ALL served in WWII if they were alive today they'd be prepping. They saw & experiences first hand how hard it was during & in the immediate aftermath of the war. They'd be pissed off at the politicians though! Churchill, chamberlain & Attlee would NEVER have let things get this late on with no real plans to ensure the health hell the survival of the population!
"I thought men and women who died during the war wanted peace in Europe?" Exactly! Something many seem to have forgotten is that mutually beneficial trade agreements mean it's in the various countries best interests to also maintain peace.
"And after WW2 the country was on the brink of bankruptcy and then starvation. We only survived thanks to a huge loan from the US." This too!
Hawkinspace - not an uninformed jibe, an opinion formed by looking at their info including on their own website. They're primarily backed by a property developer and I'm not seeing in their policies true concern or understanding of the working classes or poorer people. Their team is largely wealthy people from backgrounds in wealthy industries like finance & insurance. So they're not the party for me.
"I'm ex-Labour" which era of labour?
"Will they still be issuing visas to British citizens?" More basic than that will they still be letting U.K. Planes in their air space?!
"Hooray, another one! @user1467052019 sounds like a pledge not to prepare and a pledge to come back on to admit they were wrong as well." I'll second that - though I notice frequently on these threads posters who make a "bingo" comment when it's refuted/argued against they rarely return to defend their position.
We'll see a sea of name changes on here I reckon post 29th March! Probably on threads something like "we couldn't afford to thought we knew better than to stockpile and now we're running very low on food - help!"
"I see the world trade being our oyster, and my country being Great again." And what are your qualifications & experience in asserting this?
Having a backbone and being prepared for possible eventualities aren't mutually exclusive. But equally being brave doesn't magically mean food is available.
"mine is in land and bricks and mortar." The value of which is affected by the countries economy. Are you not old enough to remember the early 90's housing price crash?
"Don’t give a shit if it is EEC or EU I’ll be very happy not been part of it" which just proves you lack even basic understanding of the situation
"it cuts all ties to anything with them totally" exactly - leaving us with NO trade deals with either suppliers OR buyers! We can't buy OR sell! Do you have any idea how long it takes to negotiate large scale trade deals?
You think EXPERIENCED industry & farming EXPERTS are scaremongers? That people who's job it is to manage customs issues at ports, manage the buying and storage for supermarkets, organise the logistics of freight are scaremongers? That the armed forces, police and civil servants who's job it is to maintain civil order are scaremongers?
Jesus! "We won’t die from eating some more basic things if need be"
There are NOT ENOUGH of the basic things to feed everyone in the country - to the tune of the equivalent of 27 MILLION people being unfed - at all!
The armed forces are stockpiling EXTRA resources - including ammo ffs - JUST for brexit!
Hitting news cycle now:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47028748
(I know elements already posted but seeing certain posters seem to have difficulties with reading!)
I suspect maryjoyce is a little older than me (46) old enough their children if they have them are independent adults, young enough to not yet have serious health issues that tend to come with ageing, working & earning enough that price hikes in food won't be a serious problem for them.
"We do not have that much clout. We aren't this incredibly rich nation producing goods that everybody else wants."
Exactly - or with colonies that have goods to sell we can profit from!
Ffs "we can eat seasonally"
THERE IS NOT ENOUGH FOOD TO FEED THE UK POPULATION PRODUCED IN THE UK!
Even IF everyone went back to ONLY eating uk food - which by the way we haven't done for 1000's of years! - there is nowhere near enough ESPECIALLY at a time of year when crops aren't ready to be harvested!
"As to Tesco and co knowing any more than you or me makes me laugh as they know as much or as little as us right now." Bollocks! It's their JOB to know! They know how much of what items they sell to the unit! They know how that breaks down in terms of food groups. They know how much storage space they have, how long perishable goods can be stored safely for...
Do you REALLY think a privileged woman (TM) who's NEVER done a real job or cared for a child or elderly person themselves has the first clue about this?!
Or an ex army officer (brexit sec) of only 5 MONTHS who then went into law/finance and who I also suspect has never been responsible for his household finances in any real way does?
Or an ex company director (Hammond) with a PERSONAL wealth of £9 MILLION?
I bloody don't!!! I wouldn't trust them to do my weekly shop!
"Has any one considered the basic fact that a lot of our GPS are not allowed to issue extra supplies of prescribed drugs, on the grounds that they are potentially putting increased drug amounts, into their patients lives.
For most of us on them, we would genuinely stockpile, but there will always be some who would use the extra supplies either to overdose on or to possibly sell." Some of us on here have discussed this at length. Unfortunately we're not getting answers from gp's or pharmacists on this. Presumably because THEY'RE not being given answers either! Which is utterly bloody shameful!
"Still unsure where in the thread it mentions that our farming & fishing will stop" it doesn't need to! At the CURRENT LEVELS our farms and fishers don't produce/gather enough to feed our full population - even IF we're not selling it, even IF the British people start eating stuff that culturally we don't prefer that's normally sold elsewhere. It's NOT ENOUGH. In addition they won't be able to get the necessary materials and equipment to KEEP farming and fishing. I've friends and family who are farmers and fishers and they've been sticking up on fertiliser, pesticides, machinery parts etc since art 50 was triggered where they can (they've tried petitioning the govt for extra funds to help this and been largely ignored!)
@milktraylimebarrel
"what is wrong with the 60s diet? Meat, potatoes and vegetables forms my daily diet now - I dislike Chinese, Indian, Mexican, pasta or any other spicy food." Nobody's saying there's anything wrong with the components necessarily but that there will be LESS of them, and as we're not used to eating that way it will have a psychological and possibly physical effect on many. I ate like this growing up and had almost permanent stomach problems - constipation, trapped wind, diarrhoea, heartburn, reflux. I've since discovered this is likely due to an intolerance to red meat. Discovered by accident due to going veggie for ethical reasons and having incidents of accidentally being given red meat or red meat byproducts and ending up hospitalised. We don't eat much potato in this house, my dd isn't keen and I recently discovered this may be connected to her disability. So if pasta/noodles/rice/cous cous are impossible to get that leaves her with just bread for carbs which if she has too much makes her ill too. Again probably related to her condition. I've a relative who's diabetic who's found over YEARS of trial and error that bread & potatoes fucks her blood sugars up so she doesn't have them usually either.
"I can't think of any winter fruits." Mainly apples and pears.
"Interesting graphic from BBC" can u just point out that as you go doe that graphic the places are further away from us? Generally.
"I'd be worrying about the millions of furious people who all thought "It'll be FIIIIIINEE, we'll simply switch to only locally-grown produce..." demanding an abundant selection at my farm gate. In March." Where do you think the army will be deployed first? It'll be to farms & warehouses to prevent looting.
During WWII that was one of the reasons fighting fit farmers were exempt from conscription, not just as they were fit to farm but also fit to protect them! And even so fields were raided.