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Westminsterenders: Don't Panic. Really Don't Panic. Honestly Don't Panic.

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RedToothBrush · 24/01/2019 21:24

Brexit invoked the spirit of WWII's Churchill. Instead its shaping up to be more like Gallipolli...

...if Gallipolli had been instigated by Captain Mainwaring not Churchill.

The point has come where the exit button is being hit by businesses. Everywhere. In the absence of certainity they have no alternative. Its costing them a fortune already. Ford reported today that fortune was $800 billion. And amongst all the other problems widewide it was facing, which mean it is looking to cut costs, it looks grim for their 14,000 workers in the UK if we end up with no deal.

And still Esther does a video about how we should love WTO terms and a Tory MEP says Airbus's latest warnings are just Project Fear II. Its easy to say that if its not your job on the line I guess. Or your life.

And now the narrative of the prefect brexit has moved on. Again. At the start it was 'all the benefits of the EU minus migration, then 'a Norway style deal', then we went to 'Canada Plus is best, then 'lets no deal and go to WTO'. The latest is 'oh well we can ignore WTO rules at the start because they won't catch up with us for 18 months'. The absence of a plan and the hatred for the EU is growing in a worrying fashion, and there shouldn't be any doubt of where it seeks to go.

Jacob Rees-Mogg yesterday stated that May should prerogue parliament to ensure Brexit. Even though he is fully aware that the legislation even to enable WTO in the event of no deal is not in place. This is about as far removed from democracy as you can go, before you actively start openly advocating for its removal. This desire to close parliament had previously been expressed by one Tory MP and has since been repeated by David Jones MP and is liable to become the next big Brexiteer trope. Indeed reading twitter BEFORE JRM declaration, this view to shut down parliament was already being widely expressed.

Indeed one anonymous senior Tory MP has remarked this week; “If you knock on a door and they have books on their shelves, you can be pretty sure these days they’re not voting Tory”.

So people are stockpiling quietly. They are hoarding what medication they can. They are ridiculed in the media for it. And yet with government advice to business and the increasing awareness of supply chain problems, visa issues and the effect of Brexit on the GFA people are getting more and more concerned and nervous. Its almost as if government doesn't understand the mechanics of how the country functions.

People understand what is happening. They are the people who keep the production lines running and they are the people who ensure that people are fed and healthy and are kept safe. They aren't 'experts' just experts in their own lives and reality.

We move into next week with attempt two of May trying to get the WA through parliament. It still seems inconceivable she can at this stage. But who knows?

Parliament is moving to try and remove no deal from the table. The Cooper- Boles Amendment is the one to watch. Despite this stopping no deal is still beyond their control under certain circumstances. No deal happens on 29th March regardless of whether we are ready. Unless we extend or revoke, and extending is beyond the scope of our parliament alone. And extending still fails to remove the threat of no deal at a later stage. It merely prolongs the agony and uncertainty. We are in desparate need of a resolution which formerly ties us closely to the EU in whatever form that comes.

On the other hand, there are moves tonight for a Murrison II amendment to end the backstop that is being backed by both Graham Brady and close May ally and deal supporter Damien Green. This is in contrast to the EU who today have doubled down in saying the backstop is none negogiable and the WA will not be ratified by the EU if there are changes to the backstop. So it looks like we may be headed for a collision course on this, which could result in No Deal.

We are now also told from a senior government source, that Theresa May has had, in the last few days, "a lightbulb moment as to the impact of no-deal on British manufacturing." as if this is supposed to reassure us. This is 2 and a half years after she became Prime Minister.

Its only a matter of time before national anxieties across the country progress into full on outright panic. We are getting very close to that moment.

For our sanity and for all our futures we need this government to take back control from the ERG and their ilk who are leading us down a path to destruction. Before its too late.

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phpolly · 25/01/2019 09:25

Anyone know someone useful at 10 Downing Street to whom they can forward this?? (of course, that assumes there is anyone useful at Downing St these days...)

Bloomberg
63 Days to Go

Today in Brexit: Business fears the prospect of no deal, but the real threat to Britain is the irreversible damage that’s already been done.

Running down the clock to Brexit day may be a useful negotiating device for Prime Minister Theresa May. But as politicians play a slow game, time is actually running out for business. Whatever happens now in Parliament, plenty of economic damage has already been done — some of it irreversible.

Airbus made headlines yesterday with dire warnings that it would be forced to move investments in a no-deal scenario. Ford Motor reportedly reckons a crash-out scenario would cost it as much as $1 billion. But even if there is a deal — even a good one at the 11th hour that fulfills what business wanted all along — real damage has already been done.

Citigroup CEO Michael Corbat this week gave a clue about what the future of the City of London might look like: European business will move, U.K. business will stay, and there’s a big question mark over whether its rest-of-the-world business will still get booked through London. That goes to the heart of the future of the City as a global center, as my colleague Elisa Martinuzzi wrote this week.

Money is flooding out of London: Five of the largest banks intend to move 750 billion euros ($855 billion) of balance-sheet assets to Frankfurt, Bloomberg reported this week. That shift is seen by some as irreversible. Banks have mostly chosen Frankfurt, while Amsterdam has waged a successful campaign to lure trading venues and algorithmic traders.

In others sectors too, headlines about no-deal planning and car plants being idled around Brexit day overshadow longer-term decisions that won’t be easily reversed. Japanese companies are relocating to avoid losing access to the European market. Panasonic is moving its headquarters to Amsterdam from the outskirts of London. Dyson’s relocation to Singapore may have nothing to do with Brexit — the company says — but its exit still resonates because of what it says about Britain’s future role in a competitive global marketplace.

Airbus CEO Tom Enders made the point more explicitly. “Make no mistake, there are plenty of countries out there who would love to build the wings for Airbus aircraft,” Enders said. “In a global economy, the U.K. no longer has the capability to go it alone.”

Bloomberg is keeping track of those companies that have left, or set up new headquarters, or cut staff because of Brexit. It’s a pretty long list.

Much hope now is being pinned on some kind of extension being engineered by ingenious parliamentary maneuvering. But be careful what you wish for, says Bloomberg Economics. Delay means uncertainty, and that’s yet another drag on growth.

— Emma Ross-Thomas

Today’s Must-Reads

Britain needs to replicate more than 30 trade deals with countries around the world. Time is running out.

The European Union is now tying itself in knots over the Irish border, Ian Wishart reports from Brussels.

Need a catch-up on all the Brexit amendments being drafted in Parliament? Rob Hutton has a rundown, and when you need to tune in.

Brexit in Brief

DUP Backs the Bid | Northern Ireland’s Democratic Unionist Party will back May’s Brexit deal if she secures from Brussels a time-limit on the Irish border backstop, the Sun reports. That’s a big if. Lawmakers could demonstrate next week how much support there is in Parliament to put an expiry date on the much hated measure. The EU has repeatedly said it won’t reopen the deal.

“Real Risks” | Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Hammond told Bloomberg TV's Francine Lacqua this morning that there is a “very real” risk of a no-deal Brexit. The government wants to find a compromise that avoids the extremes of a no-deal divorce and no Brexit at all, but right now there's not a majority for anything in Parliament. Still, he said the next vote on Jan. 29 isn't a "high noon" moment. On Wednesday, he told investors at Davos that a second referendum could prove more dangerous for business than Brexit.

Will She Resign? | Pensions Secretary Amber Rudd has told the BBC’s Newsnight she’s still arguing inside government for Conservative members of Parliament to be allowed to vote as they choose on Tuesday. Asked if she’d resign to vote as she wanted, she replied: “I am committed to making sure we avoid no-deal.”

She Said What? | Lithuanian President Dalia Grybauskaite, one of the EU’s most colorful and outspoken figures, went off-script on Thursday. Delaying Brexit would just prolong “chaos,” and it might be better to get on with it, she said. “In that case, it's better to finish this chaos sooner, even with no deal,” she said. “Because I know that even in a worst-case scenario we will start immediately to negotiate with the U.K. on special narrow sectoral questions. It will take a few months.”

Even The Queen’s Had Enough | Queen Elizabeth spoke of the need to come “together to seek out common ground,” and respect “different points of view,” in a speech to the Women’s Institute. A veiled call to members of Parliament to stop bickering over Brexit?

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Hazardswans · 25/01/2019 09:41

Again learn someit new everyday - I didn't know the Queen can fix cars.

bellinisurge · 25/01/2019 09:51

That was part of her job in WWII. Mechanic. You might have seen victory day pictures with her in uniform. Admittedly she's not a 21 Century Ferrari Formula one engineer but she would have a better stab than me at diagnosing car trouble.

Hazardswans · 25/01/2019 09:58

I'm so joining your dream prepper group bellini between you and the Queen me and mine will be well catered for Grin I can make an okay meal out of pretty much anything and I'm a bad enthusiastic singer/dancer so can provide entertainment. Also ive stockpiled make up....not because of brexit but i thoroughly believe mascara and eyeliner can get me through difficult days. beware of my Amy Winehouse eyeliner look it means shit is bad

Quietrebel · 25/01/2019 10:01

Brilliant, a mechanic! I do like Her Maj.
As an aside, I've long felt that each student should have to learn a trade at school. I would have loved joinery for example. 1 trade and 1 other language as compulsory parts of secondary education. That would really empower people I think and, long term, address skills shortages.

bellinisurge · 25/01/2019 10:01

@Hazardswans , that's called morale boosters. Some prepper blokes don't see it as necessary because they wear different "armour " to feel confident.
I want to live in a world where you can wear Amy Winehouse makeup because it looks fab.

jasjas1973 · 25/01/2019 10:05

Queen Elizabeth spoke of the need to come “together to seek out common ground,” and respect “different points of view,”

These are just words that could have come from a TM speech writer, which tbf probably did, the Queen isn't going to say anything remotely controversial unless its been cleared by Downing Street.

Its all in line with TMs latest that she is "reaching out" across the commons to find a solution..... whilst doing precisely the opposite.

This country is way beyond coming together, let alone respecting different points of view on brexit and unless someone starts leading this country instead of following, it is only going to get worse.

DGRossetti · 25/01/2019 10:10

I'm jaded and cynicak

Could that be a new word ?

bellinisurge · 25/01/2019 10:15

Not exactly a horrid message though, is it?
PS, she apparently hated Thatcher with all her obsequious regal bows to the Monarch and divisive bullshit.

nuttynutjob · 25/01/2019 10:27

Brace, Brace. Placecatking

Continues to Stockpile but I'm Grey Wink

FishesaPlenty · 25/01/2019 10:30

Can I ask about this 18 month period for the WTO to catch up with us?

It's frequently 3 years or more from the first complaint to completion of the case and even then there's an implementation period - the length of which will be varied according to the circumstances.

Is this something that is plausible and if so, would it prevent the chances of disruptions in the food supplies etc?

No, that's an entirely different matter. Any issues with food supply will be caused by delays at the channel ports, which seem inevitable if we leave the CU & SM.

jasjas1973 · 25/01/2019 10:32

Thatcher was a paragon of virtue compared to Cameron and May who have played (and are continue to risk) the stability and cohesiveness of this country in a way that Thatcher never did or dared.

Lucygoeswalkies · 25/01/2019 10:35

I woke up to a new day - and a new thread! PMK. Please keep ‘em coming Red.

RedToothBrush · 25/01/2019 10:38

Can I ask about this 18 month period for the WTO to catch up with us? Is this something that is plausible and if so, would it prevent the chances of disruptions in the food supplies etc?

No. We'd end up in a trade dispute / war if we tried that on.

Which would hurt us more than it would hurt others...

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Motheroffourdragons · 25/01/2019 10:41

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bellinisurge · 25/01/2019 10:44

Happy to dump the monarchy for consensus. If a non- exec president like they have in Ireland, Israel , Germany, India (countries that know a thing or two about national crises), said the same as the Queen, I'd applaud them too.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 25/01/2019 10:45

Found you! PMK
I did post on the other thread and wondered why it was so quiet! Fast moving as ever!

P.s if anyone knows of a country that will take a financially secure SAHM on, let me know. Never thought i'd be so keen to emigrate Sad

RedToothBrush · 25/01/2019 10:47

Allie Renison @AllieRenison
Just received a pretty useless answer from the Home Office in response to queries from business about status of EU nationals signing contracts before exit day but starting them after it under no-deal. No wonder employers are crying out for proper comprehensive day one guidance

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phpolly · 25/01/2019 10:49

Ok, so my post is ignored, as this thread has become just another insiders' club like many other MN threads. FYI there are tons of lurkers here just like me who look for information and (god forbid) hope and like-mindedness.

I don't think the queen's subtly expressed opinion makes one bit of difference to what's going on in Westminster.

HesterThrale · 25/01/2019 10:50

From Robert Peston’s Facebook post just now:

First, lots about the Murrison amendment.

Then:

So this is where the second thing I learned yesterday kicks in.
What a number of MPs explained to me is that the idea Theresa May is safe in office for up to another year, following the failed coup by the Brexiter MPs just before Christmas, is not just wrong, but hopelessly wrong.
And truthfully after they explained why to me, I felt rather foolish.
The point is that – following her ill-judged general election that cost her the Tory Party’s majority – she only survives in office thanks to the support of Northern Ireland’s 10 DUP MPs (whose loyalty has been tested to breaking point by the backstop).
So here in the words of one senior Tory is the arithmetic that is fatal to her. “All that needs to happen is that ten of us troop in to see her and tell her that we will vote against every piece of government legislation unless and until she resigns, and at that point she has to pack her bags”.
So are Brady and co plotting such a “people-in-grey-suits” coup against her in the event that she fails to give her official support to their amendment?
I have no reason to believe that.
But should she be anxious that such a coup won’t follow very far behind any refusal by her to tear up the backstop – or indeed a failure to prevent delay to the due date of leaving the EU?
She would be naïve to ignore that threat to her survival as PM. Theresa May is not naïve.

DGRossetti · 25/01/2019 10:52

I'm weakly republican ... not a massive fan of the Monarchy, but don't really have any suggestions for a replacement (so I could never be a Brexiteer Grin )

She is in danger of becoming collateral damage in Brexit, since a no-deal is probably the biggest driver of change in the Union any Monarch has ever seen (since the 1700s and the rebellions ?). So politicking aside, she's probably getting advice on the matter of Scotland and Northern Ireland.

That said, "let's all pull together" is as bad as something an idiot or Brexiteer would say. Even if there were the will to pull together Hmm there's still nothing to pull on. There's still no clear way forward.

1tisILeClerc · 25/01/2019 10:52

{As an aside, I've long felt that each student should have to learn a trade at school. I would have loved joinery for example. 1 trade and 1 other language as compulsory parts of secondary education.}
All part of the curriculum in a decent Comprehensive school.
I decided not to continue needlework after I left. There is a half assembled dressing gown somewhere from 46 years ago.

TheElementsSong · 25/01/2019 10:53

Ok, so my post is ignored

Eh? It’s a fast-moving thread. I doubt anyone here hasn’t experienced posts being missed. Take a chill pill and re-post if necessary.

RedToothBrush · 25/01/2019 10:53

Chris Grey @chrisgreybrexit
My latest Brexit Blog post on the poisonous politics of betrayal, which have now spread to all sides of the Brexit debate, with every single Brexit scenario being described by someone or other as "betrayal". We need to drain the poison. Just up, now:

chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-poisonous-politics-of-betrayal.html
The poisonous politics of betrayal

That is a pretty extraordinary state of affairs in a democratic country, and a dangerous one. It grows directly out of a political discourse configured in terms of betrayal and belief, purists and heretics, loyalists and saboteurs. That story only ends in one way, and it isn’t pretty.

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LonelyandTiredandLow · 25/01/2019 10:53

Propaganderists out in force today - see news from Sept 2018 about UK loosing top spot in global financial rankings compared to today (amidst all of the no deal hellishness) we have a squishy thoughtful pice with no substance on how we might be even better after leaving the worlds most successful trading bloc, unicorns abound .

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