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RedToothBrush · 24/01/2019 21:24

Brexit invoked the spirit of WWII's Churchill. Instead its shaping up to be more like Gallipolli...

...if Gallipolli had been instigated by Captain Mainwaring not Churchill.

The point has come where the exit button is being hit by businesses. Everywhere. In the absence of certainity they have no alternative. Its costing them a fortune already. Ford reported today that fortune was $800 billion. And amongst all the other problems widewide it was facing, which mean it is looking to cut costs, it looks grim for their 14,000 workers in the UK if we end up with no deal.

And still Esther does a video about how we should love WTO terms and a Tory MEP says Airbus's latest warnings are just Project Fear II. Its easy to say that if its not your job on the line I guess. Or your life.

And now the narrative of the prefect brexit has moved on. Again. At the start it was 'all the benefits of the EU minus migration, then 'a Norway style deal', then we went to 'Canada Plus is best, then 'lets no deal and go to WTO'. The latest is 'oh well we can ignore WTO rules at the start because they won't catch up with us for 18 months'. The absence of a plan and the hatred for the EU is growing in a worrying fashion, and there shouldn't be any doubt of where it seeks to go.

Jacob Rees-Mogg yesterday stated that May should prerogue parliament to ensure Brexit. Even though he is fully aware that the legislation even to enable WTO in the event of no deal is not in place. This is about as far removed from democracy as you can go, before you actively start openly advocating for its removal. This desire to close parliament had previously been expressed by one Tory MP and has since been repeated by David Jones MP and is liable to become the next big Brexiteer trope. Indeed reading twitter BEFORE JRM declaration, this view to shut down parliament was already being widely expressed.

Indeed one anonymous senior Tory MP has remarked this week; “If you knock on a door and they have books on their shelves, you can be pretty sure these days they’re not voting Tory”.

So people are stockpiling quietly. They are hoarding what medication they can. They are ridiculed in the media for it. And yet with government advice to business and the increasing awareness of supply chain problems, visa issues and the effect of Brexit on the GFA people are getting more and more concerned and nervous. Its almost as if government doesn't understand the mechanics of how the country functions.

People understand what is happening. They are the people who keep the production lines running and they are the people who ensure that people are fed and healthy and are kept safe. They aren't 'experts' just experts in their own lives and reality.

We move into next week with attempt two of May trying to get the WA through parliament. It still seems inconceivable she can at this stage. But who knows?

Parliament is moving to try and remove no deal from the table. The Cooper- Boles Amendment is the one to watch. Despite this stopping no deal is still beyond their control under certain circumstances. No deal happens on 29th March regardless of whether we are ready. Unless we extend or revoke, and extending is beyond the scope of our parliament alone. And extending still fails to remove the threat of no deal at a later stage. It merely prolongs the agony and uncertainty. We are in desparate need of a resolution which formerly ties us closely to the EU in whatever form that comes.

On the other hand, there are moves tonight for a Murrison II amendment to end the backstop that is being backed by both Graham Brady and close May ally and deal supporter Damien Green. This is in contrast to the EU who today have doubled down in saying the backstop is none negogiable and the WA will not be ratified by the EU if there are changes to the backstop. So it looks like we may be headed for a collision course on this, which could result in No Deal.

We are now also told from a senior government source, that Theresa May has had, in the last few days, "a lightbulb moment as to the impact of no-deal on British manufacturing." as if this is supposed to reassure us. This is 2 and a half years after she became Prime Minister.

Its only a matter of time before national anxieties across the country progress into full on outright panic. We are getting very close to that moment.

For our sanity and for all our futures we need this government to take back control from the ERG and their ilk who are leading us down a path to destruction. Before its too late.

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squareofthehypotepotenuse · 26/01/2019 15:48

Hazard re cat/dog people - i’m sure I have read somewhere that cat owners are generally less authoritarian in their views than dog owners...so that would fit with the remainder/leaver profile.
Of course there will be many, many exceptions - but you might be on to something!

Ta1kinPeace · 26/01/2019 15:49

Hazardswan
Never trust people who do not like animals.
Dogs are fab too, but of course cats have that amazing "other" look in their eyes.
And cat videos are the internet canary in the coal mine .....
Saudi censors actually took down a cat channel which highlighted their overall tools Wink

1tisILeClerc · 26/01/2019 15:51

I don't have my own cat now but there is a 'wild' one that lives nearby that spends days mousing in the field. She was 'stalking' one of the bulls in the summer but that seemed a bit overambitious!
Being wild if I go out it scoots sharpish unfortunately.

Spudlet · 26/01/2019 15:51

Ah well, that explains it then. I own a deaf old spaniel. I can be as authoritarian as I like, but it will do no good whatsoever these days Grin

Apparently John Humphries suggested to the Irish Minister for Europe that a good solution to the border issue would be for Ireland to also leave the EU and come in with the U.K. in some form. Did anyone listen to the Today programme - was this actually as batshit as it sounds...?!

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/26/john-humphrys-suggests-ireland-could-quit-eu-and-join-uk

1tisILeClerc · 26/01/2019 15:52

{but of course cats have that amazing "other" look in their eyes.}
That cute but 'sinister mass murderer look'.

squareofthehypotepotenuse · 26/01/2019 15:52

Of course.....you could also argue that cats are natural Brexiteers:

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Spudlet · 26/01/2019 15:54

square I think my dog is a secret cat, based on that pic Shock

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 26/01/2019 15:54

I can't comment on whether working class people voted Tory in the 1980s but based on my DH's (very working class - Potteries) family you can't assume they all voted Labour!

I know I’m going back several pages here but it reminded me of something I was told when doing my sociology A level in the ‘80s -

30% of WC voters will always vote Tory.

As we know, all too well, logic doesn’t always play a part in voting choices,

Lucy I read your post and I’m so sorry you have these worries. You shouldn’t apologise, or feel embarrassed voicing your fears here.

As other posters have said there is a real sense of the demonisation of the poor and of those with disabilities.
I don’t know if it’s always been so, or if I’ve only really noticed it since it affected us personally, but I’ve noticed a real resentment towards people receiving disability payments, especially if they use those payments to receive a Motability scheme car. Even a couple of so-called ‘friends’ of DH made sarky comments about his, admittedly very nice, new car a couple of years ago. One went as far as to say if you’re disabled and you need a car fair enough, but you should be happy to drive around in an easily identifiable ‘invalid carriage’ (remember those?)

God I’m depressed today, not helped by DH having a pretty heavy fall, the second in a week. I’m doing a bit of an inventory of our supplies in an attempt to feel like I’m ever so slightly in control. Dest a sewing machine is a great idea. I have one but haven’t used it in years and have a horrible feeling I’ve lost the foot pedal in the house move...

StoorieHoose · 26/01/2019 15:55

Here is Scooter preparing to guard my brexit cupboard and his extra bags of food from marauding Leavers

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SusanWalker · 26/01/2019 15:58

I have bought an extra bag of hamster food. We are set. It takes him weeks to work his way through.

PestymcPestFace · 26/01/2019 16:00

Ooooh dark ads are back on facebook

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PootlesBobbleHat · 26/01/2019 16:03

I come from a long line of coal miners, mostly Welsh. Dyed in the wool left wing socialists apart from one grandmother who always voted Tory because she wasn't common like the rest of them Grin

So, statistically, there's always one.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 26/01/2019 16:05

Scooter is gorgeous.

I like cats but I love dogs. DH and I are planning on getting a dog but have put it on temporary hold due to bloody Brexit. I don’t want to risk acquiring an extra mouth to feed at this stage.

However, I’ve quite seriously thought on many an occasion lately that I rather wish we had bought a German Shepherd several years ago. One of my big worries is civil unrest and having a nice big, slightly scary dog would be hugely comforting.

Hazard. I think we need to see a pic of your dog!

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 26/01/2019 16:06

Pootles. If only there was always just the one!

PootlesBobbleHat · 26/01/2019 16:07

'Brexit? I prefer Foxshit'

borntobequiet · 26/01/2019 16:16

I’ve had much loved dogs but couldn’t keep one where I live now, nor could I give it enough time and attention. Luckily my cat gets on very well with a neighbour and practically moves in with her if I have to go away...she used to go to the lovely local cattery with her sister but I don’t like to send her on her own, probably silly, but whatever.

1tisILeClerc · 26/01/2019 16:16

I suppose having a Welsh collie would be good for me but I am not really a 'dog person'.

Moussemoose · 26/01/2019 16:20

Do the dogs support Brexit though?

My cat, as already stated, is a facist. He thinks Brexit is a namby pamby issue and we need to move on to serious issues like how to annihilate that ginger cat from number 43.

Where do dogs stand on the most crucial issue of our time?

Brexit paws up or paws down?

Enquiring minds need to know.

1tisILeClerc · 26/01/2019 16:28

Aren't they happiest if it smells of either poo or lunch?

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 26/01/2019 16:30

Brexit paws up or paws down?

It depends how it was sold to them. I imagine if they were told we could save £350million and spend it instead on a magic perpetual sausage tree and lots of balls then they are hugely supportive of Brexit and just want us to get on with it.

Moussemoose · 26/01/2019 16:33

a magic perpetual sausage tree

Isn't that what they just said to humans?

1tisILeClerc · 26/01/2019 16:33

Is this a 'quiet news day' by any chance?

PootlesBobbleHat · 26/01/2019 16:33

Mine remain long faced and aloof about the whole thing.

In all seriousness, I think the posting of cat and dog pics indicates a certain level of hopelessness and disconnectedness many of us are feeling right now.

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prettybird · 26/01/2019 16:38

Thought you lot would be amused by this video from Janey Godley, adding a commentary to Esther McVey's patronising video Grin

www.facebook.com/JaneyGodley/videos/10157250297004653/

She has a good line in sweary adjectives! Grin

Ta1kinPeace · 26/01/2019 16:42

prettybird
Some WONDERFUL insults in there