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Westminsterenders: Don't Panic. Really Don't Panic. Honestly Don't Panic.

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RedToothBrush · 24/01/2019 21:24

Brexit invoked the spirit of WWII's Churchill. Instead its shaping up to be more like Gallipolli...

...if Gallipolli had been instigated by Captain Mainwaring not Churchill.

The point has come where the exit button is being hit by businesses. Everywhere. In the absence of certainity they have no alternative. Its costing them a fortune already. Ford reported today that fortune was $800 billion. And amongst all the other problems widewide it was facing, which mean it is looking to cut costs, it looks grim for their 14,000 workers in the UK if we end up with no deal.

And still Esther does a video about how we should love WTO terms and a Tory MEP says Airbus's latest warnings are just Project Fear II. Its easy to say that if its not your job on the line I guess. Or your life.

And now the narrative of the prefect brexit has moved on. Again. At the start it was 'all the benefits of the EU minus migration, then 'a Norway style deal', then we went to 'Canada Plus is best, then 'lets no deal and go to WTO'. The latest is 'oh well we can ignore WTO rules at the start because they won't catch up with us for 18 months'. The absence of a plan and the hatred for the EU is growing in a worrying fashion, and there shouldn't be any doubt of where it seeks to go.

Jacob Rees-Mogg yesterday stated that May should prerogue parliament to ensure Brexit. Even though he is fully aware that the legislation even to enable WTO in the event of no deal is not in place. This is about as far removed from democracy as you can go, before you actively start openly advocating for its removal. This desire to close parliament had previously been expressed by one Tory MP and has since been repeated by David Jones MP and is liable to become the next big Brexiteer trope. Indeed reading twitter BEFORE JRM declaration, this view to shut down parliament was already being widely expressed.

Indeed one anonymous senior Tory MP has remarked this week; “If you knock on a door and they have books on their shelves, you can be pretty sure these days they’re not voting Tory”.

So people are stockpiling quietly. They are hoarding what medication they can. They are ridiculed in the media for it. And yet with government advice to business and the increasing awareness of supply chain problems, visa issues and the effect of Brexit on the GFA people are getting more and more concerned and nervous. Its almost as if government doesn't understand the mechanics of how the country functions.

People understand what is happening. They are the people who keep the production lines running and they are the people who ensure that people are fed and healthy and are kept safe. They aren't 'experts' just experts in their own lives and reality.

We move into next week with attempt two of May trying to get the WA through parliament. It still seems inconceivable she can at this stage. But who knows?

Parliament is moving to try and remove no deal from the table. The Cooper- Boles Amendment is the one to watch. Despite this stopping no deal is still beyond their control under certain circumstances. No deal happens on 29th March regardless of whether we are ready. Unless we extend or revoke, and extending is beyond the scope of our parliament alone. And extending still fails to remove the threat of no deal at a later stage. It merely prolongs the agony and uncertainty. We are in desparate need of a resolution which formerly ties us closely to the EU in whatever form that comes.

On the other hand, there are moves tonight for a Murrison II amendment to end the backstop that is being backed by both Graham Brady and close May ally and deal supporter Damien Green. This is in contrast to the EU who today have doubled down in saying the backstop is none negogiable and the WA will not be ratified by the EU if there are changes to the backstop. So it looks like we may be headed for a collision course on this, which could result in No Deal.

We are now also told from a senior government source, that Theresa May has had, in the last few days, "a lightbulb moment as to the impact of no-deal on British manufacturing." as if this is supposed to reassure us. This is 2 and a half years after she became Prime Minister.

Its only a matter of time before national anxieties across the country progress into full on outright panic. We are getting very close to that moment.

For our sanity and for all our futures we need this government to take back control from the ERG and their ilk who are leading us down a path to destruction. Before its too late.

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PootlesBobbleHat · 26/01/2019 13:52

Bobbed onto a recent AIBU preppers tgread and can see there is very little point at this late stage giving people facts. The same people are still arguing that we eat food not produced in Europe so the only things to stock up on are French cheeses and German sausages, fnar fnar, and it's like Y2K all over again and planes won't fall out of the sky, and rice comes from China...

No one is listening or prepared to learn. A peoples vote looks unlikely so I'm just concerned with me and mine now. No.point arguing the toss with those who won't listen.

I've started my prepping, lots more to do.

I almost can't be bothered to follow the news. I feel it's so late we don't have a say now. It's a mess and I'm waiting it out.

MsLucyLastic · 26/01/2019 13:52

Thanks phpolly. That's really sweet of you.

The new lady senator seems great, but she has recently supported the Mermaids trans rights group which is pretty controversial. They don't have the best reputation for using evidence based data to inform their stance. So I am not sure about her yet. Still, she seems like a bright lady with her finger on the pulse of what's going on, so hopefully she is an indication of positive change

Destiel · 26/01/2019 13:55

I'm also planning on cutting out more plastic so am hoping to get Dh on board with making beeswax food wraps and reusable kitchen wipes.

I'm also considering buying a basic sewing machine.

phpolly · 26/01/2019 14:22

@LucyLastic - ugh about Mermaids - I hadn't heard about that. I've been reading about the congresswoman's ideas about other things, for example a progressive income tax. Charging a high rate for all income above 10 million USD per year (!!!) seems like not the most outrageous idea I've ever heard.
I hope that you and your children are doing okay. It is hard not to feel these days as if the powers that be are not listening and don't care.

phpolly · 26/01/2019 14:24

@Destiel - I hadn't considered a sewing machine; what is your thinking about that?

Thanks again to @bellinisurge btw for all of her great advice on prepping. I continue to read and to add to my reserves (within reason as I don't have tons of storage space).

phpolly · 26/01/2019 14:27

Agreed @pootles. A lot of people don't seem to believe what we might be facing in the event of no deal. So I'm just getting on with things without worrying about proselytising to people. I am in agreement that a people's vote seems very very unlikely right now.

mybrainhurtsalot · 26/01/2019 14:31

www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-pitchforks-are-coming-for-us-plutocrats-108014?o=1

I’ve linked to this before. It’s an article about wealth inequality in the US. I think it is an interesting read with some definite Brexit parallels.

“What everyone wants to believe is that when things reach a tipping point and go from being merely crappy for the masses to dangerous and socially destabilizing, that we’re somehow going to know about that shift ahead of time. Any student of history knows that’s not the way it happens. Revolutions, like bankruptcies, come gradually, and then suddenly.”

Revolutions and fascism both.

MsLucyLastic · 26/01/2019 14:33

Thanks phpolly we're actually fine. I have an excellent ExH and a fab new bloke (remainer, naturally!) who are really supportive, along with good family and friends. So it isn't all bad by any means. Its purely fears of there one day being Gestapo style knocks at the door (too vivid an imagination!)

MsLucyLastic · 26/01/2019 14:35

Oh, and the US income tax proposals sound amazing and progressive. Which is what the US, and the UK, need right now.

Desiel I am also intrigued by the sewing machine.

Destiel · 26/01/2019 14:42

I'm hoping to make my own basic stuff like cushion covers, repairs etc

phpolly · 26/01/2019 14:43

@LucyLastic I am glad you have so much excellent support. The worry is always about the safety net, isn't it. Too many people don't seem to have one.
@mybrainhurts I'm so grateful to you for sharing this incisive piece from Politico. I keep saying that "heads on pikes" isn't such a far-fetched concept, and that trickle down economics has been proven over and over again to be a total fallacy.
And good god - is that really the minimum wage in the US??

Ta1kinPeace · 26/01/2019 14:49

Brexit will not solve the issues that caused it.
The Tory right wing Brexiters will discover that the world will stay globalised.
The Labour left wing Brexiters will discover that Westminster still does not give a shit about them.

Trump will not be able to deal with the issues that caused his election.
The USA started to divide between rural and urban under Dubya.
The chasm is now so deep that its becoming unclosable.
But at least Trump has to face elections that restrict / remove his power in two years and then four years.

Brexit will be for ever no matter what outcomes appear in the next few weeks.

The happy UK of 2012 and the Olympics and the Paralympics is a distant memory.
None of the current crop of politicians are capable of finding that vibe again.

borntobequiet · 26/01/2019 14:57

Well said TP.

Hazardswans · 26/01/2019 15:03

Seconding DG thoughts re illness and disability being God's will . Have encountered this belief with DP's illness and I am under prepared for such thinking! I'm just left with a mouth open like a fish because my mind is so boggled. It's so naive of me, I just didn't think people thought like that in the UK.

The conversations, scratch that, the talking at me sounded as if Brexit was some kind of Noah's Ark. The strongest and most heavenly will survive and if you don't survive or you don't do well post Brexit it's God's will.

squareofthehypotepotenuse · 26/01/2019 15:07

I’m just doing a wee cat post - the one in front of this picture disappeared yesterday and last night and had us all very worried indeed. Found him eventually this afternoon locked in a neighbouring outbuilding, howling away! Managed to break him out and he’s now strutting around pretty pleased with himself.
At least it was a different reason for a sleepless night.....

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bellinisurge · 26/01/2019 15:13

Glad you found that handsome beastie @squareofthehypotepotenuse

Lucygoeswalkies · 26/01/2019 15:19

squareofthehypoteneuse - I’m so pleased you found your boy. It’s horrible when they go missing like like that.

prettybird · 26/01/2019 15:27

There are lots of gorgeous cats on this thread Smile

On the subject of stockpiling, remember to stock pile food for your pets. I have plenty of dried food, but we've just started giving the old girl wee tins of the Lidl soft cat food, which she is wolfing down (and given that she is only 1.8kg Shock, I'm happy with that). I'm struggling to buy surplus, as she keeps asking for more and upping the amount she eats each week - and now the boys have developed a taste for it! Wink Fortunately, they seem to be happy licking her empty bowl and the empty tins - or the tiny smidgeon I give them every so often so she can eat in peace (although as "top" cat, she is pretty good at telling them where to go when they try to muscle in on her bowl Grin)

Spudlet · 26/01/2019 15:39

An extra sack of kibble is on the list to see Spuddog through - the stuff he has is actually made locally by a family business, but I don't know where all their ingredients come from so not chancing it. Old dogs get farty with food changes and frankly, he needs no assistance in that department 😷

Hazardswans · 26/01/2019 15:40

Are remainers cat people? I'm really bucking the trend, no degree, no cat, no elitism. I'm a let down to you all Grin Will have to do an open university degree and teach the dog to meow.

Have to say remainers have good taste all these cats are particularly beautiful!

Ta1kinPeace · 26/01/2019 15:42

pretty
Yup, we have a stash of tinned that we are getting the cats used to
and the dried is stored in a different cupboard.

I view prepping as taking pressure off the supply chain.
If all those who can afford to and have the space
set aside enough that they will be able to avoid the shops for a few days
then those less able to prepare will still be able to get food.

All of our cupboards add up to a mahoosive extra warehouse.

On the up side I did my veg garden plan today and am looking forward to home grown out of my polytunnel all summer Smile

squareofthehypotepotenuse · 26/01/2019 15:44

It’s a really good reminder, prettybird We have some large multipacks of wet food in the garage and the next big dry food shop (ours are fussy and will only eat Royal canin) I will be doubling up the order. Before my husband met me, he had some hard times - but said the cat always ate better than him. I knew a man who had saved a 3 legged cat was a good catch!
Some very interesting and sobering posts again today that i’ve just caught up on. Thanks to all for your insights

BlueEyeshadow · 26/01/2019 15:46

Sqaureonthe I’m just doing a wee cat post - our cats are in our bad books at the moment because somebody did a wee in a shopping bag instead of their perfectly good litter tray or outside...

mybrainhurtsalot · 26/01/2019 15:47

PhPolly I was about to say that article is nearly 5 years old but I googled and the federal minimum wage in the US is still $7.25 an hour Shock So it seems it hadn’t changed since that article was written.

Spudlet · 26/01/2019 15:47

Hazard Join me, we shall be the Canines for Remain-ine chapter 🐶