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Westminsterenders: Don't Panic. Really Don't Panic. Honestly Don't Panic.

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RedToothBrush · 24/01/2019 21:24

Brexit invoked the spirit of WWII's Churchill. Instead its shaping up to be more like Gallipolli...

...if Gallipolli had been instigated by Captain Mainwaring not Churchill.

The point has come where the exit button is being hit by businesses. Everywhere. In the absence of certainity they have no alternative. Its costing them a fortune already. Ford reported today that fortune was $800 billion. And amongst all the other problems widewide it was facing, which mean it is looking to cut costs, it looks grim for their 14,000 workers in the UK if we end up with no deal.

And still Esther does a video about how we should love WTO terms and a Tory MEP says Airbus's latest warnings are just Project Fear II. Its easy to say that if its not your job on the line I guess. Or your life.

And now the narrative of the prefect brexit has moved on. Again. At the start it was 'all the benefits of the EU minus migration, then 'a Norway style deal', then we went to 'Canada Plus is best, then 'lets no deal and go to WTO'. The latest is 'oh well we can ignore WTO rules at the start because they won't catch up with us for 18 months'. The absence of a plan and the hatred for the EU is growing in a worrying fashion, and there shouldn't be any doubt of where it seeks to go.

Jacob Rees-Mogg yesterday stated that May should prerogue parliament to ensure Brexit. Even though he is fully aware that the legislation even to enable WTO in the event of no deal is not in place. This is about as far removed from democracy as you can go, before you actively start openly advocating for its removal. This desire to close parliament had previously been expressed by one Tory MP and has since been repeated by David Jones MP and is liable to become the next big Brexiteer trope. Indeed reading twitter BEFORE JRM declaration, this view to shut down parliament was already being widely expressed.

Indeed one anonymous senior Tory MP has remarked this week; “If you knock on a door and they have books on their shelves, you can be pretty sure these days they’re not voting Tory”.

So people are stockpiling quietly. They are hoarding what medication they can. They are ridiculed in the media for it. And yet with government advice to business and the increasing awareness of supply chain problems, visa issues and the effect of Brexit on the GFA people are getting more and more concerned and nervous. Its almost as if government doesn't understand the mechanics of how the country functions.

People understand what is happening. They are the people who keep the production lines running and they are the people who ensure that people are fed and healthy and are kept safe. They aren't 'experts' just experts in their own lives and reality.

We move into next week with attempt two of May trying to get the WA through parliament. It still seems inconceivable she can at this stage. But who knows?

Parliament is moving to try and remove no deal from the table. The Cooper- Boles Amendment is the one to watch. Despite this stopping no deal is still beyond their control under certain circumstances. No deal happens on 29th March regardless of whether we are ready. Unless we extend or revoke, and extending is beyond the scope of our parliament alone. And extending still fails to remove the threat of no deal at a later stage. It merely prolongs the agony and uncertainty. We are in desparate need of a resolution which formerly ties us closely to the EU in whatever form that comes.

On the other hand, there are moves tonight for a Murrison II amendment to end the backstop that is being backed by both Graham Brady and close May ally and deal supporter Damien Green. This is in contrast to the EU who today have doubled down in saying the backstop is none negogiable and the WA will not be ratified by the EU if there are changes to the backstop. So it looks like we may be headed for a collision course on this, which could result in No Deal.

We are now also told from a senior government source, that Theresa May has had, in the last few days, "a lightbulb moment as to the impact of no-deal on British manufacturing." as if this is supposed to reassure us. This is 2 and a half years after she became Prime Minister.

Its only a matter of time before national anxieties across the country progress into full on outright panic. We are getting very close to that moment.

For our sanity and for all our futures we need this government to take back control from the ERG and their ilk who are leading us down a path to destruction. Before its too late.

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Grinchly · 26/01/2019 09:53

bigchoc thank you for your kind comment. I truly appreciate it. Thanks

prettybird · 26/01/2019 09:57

Moussemoose - you missed the strongest correlation with voting Leave: supporting capital punishment Sad

borntobequiet · 26/01/2019 09:58

I went off so much literature I enjoyed when younger, because it kept being trotted out in various guises, TV shows, radio plays and so on that I got sick of it. It was as though producers had few other recourses other than “do another Wodehouse” “do another Austen, and while we’re at it, miscast the lead roles so as to make it entirely implausible”. Consequently when I do return to said works and enjoy them, I’m delighted.

Olivia Manning’s Balkan Trilogy/Levant Trilogy are ones I intend to pick up again soon with their descriptions, taken from real life, of the chaos of war in Europe and North Africa and their casts of notable eccentrics.

Mistigri · 26/01/2019 09:58

A generalisation maybe, but an interesting point. How and why has that change occurred?

Plainly there has been a change but I suspect it's not as big as you think. I grew up in 1970s and 1980s London, among what I think would nowadays be termed the "liberal elite" (we weren't rich - single parent mum raising kids on a 1970s teacher's income - but we were solidly middle class).

Until I started working for my current employer, aged 25 in 1989, I barely knew anyone who voted Tory. (Prior to that I worked mainly in advertising/print which was highly unionised at the time and very strongly Labour, and hung out with lots of Labour-voting academics and public sector workers).

I can't comment on whether working class people voted Tory in the 1980s but based on my DH's (very working class - Potteries) family you can't assume they all voted Labour!

RosaPalma · 26/01/2019 10:01

This is our Brexit busting blues kitty. Sweetest boy ever ❤️

Westminsterenders: Don't Panic. Really Don't Panic. Honestly Don't Panic.
Destiel · 26/01/2019 10:02

I am not a cat person but goodness their are some beautiful cats on here!

Destiel · 26/01/2019 10:03

there

prettybird · 26/01/2019 10:11

The link between Brexit and the death penalty

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36803544

borntobequiet · 26/01/2019 10:12

Every time I hear a report from the Hillsborough trial I reflect on what is problematic with public life and political discourse in the UK.
A disaster in 1989, which was entirely preventable, which could have been managed better at the time, which involved lies and cover ups from the police, which had the media colluding in blaming the wrong people, which resulted in a flawed first inquest based on the lies and collusion, which had Boris Johnson himself traduce the whole population of Liverpool on a whim and which had to wait over 25 years for a fair inquest...it sums up almost everything wrong with this country.
And reminds me that the Hillsborough inquest verdicts came out two months before the referendum.

lonelyplanetmum · 26/01/2019 10:14

Wow Rosa. Just wow. Cats are just encapsulate some of the beauty in this world.

lonelyplanetmum · 26/01/2019 10:16

Sorry Born cross posted. I hope you got more sleep- I did!

HesterThrale · 26/01/2019 10:16

Yes mousse it was an observation with no hard evidence!
pretty wasn’t education also a correlating factor in the ref?
A point was made a few days ago (by Red?) that a senior Tory had commented that if he saw books in a constituent’s home, he reckoned they’d not be voting Tory.

Interested times. A-changing.

I don’t have cat, but am now tempted!

Destiel · 26/01/2019 10:17

Spot on born

HesterThrale · 26/01/2019 10:19

*interesting

borntobequiet · 26/01/2019 10:19

Thanks, Lonely, yes I did!

lonelyplanetmum · 26/01/2019 10:22

Hester just go and look at your nearest local cats protection league centre . Just look. They have them on line to browse too.

www.cats.org.uk/find-us

Get two! (I'm a cat pusher). Its clear that harder times are a coming and animal charities will need all the homes they can find.

nicoala1 · 26/01/2019 10:27

If anyone is interested, Matt Frei (LBC) has Irish voices commenting on Brexit on his show right now. Fintan O'Toole currently speaking.

HesterThrale · 26/01/2019 10:30

lonely I just looked at the cats on that website. Thanks!

Some beautiful ones! I am tempted but my eczema-suffering family might disagree.

TatianaLarina · 26/01/2019 10:34

I think I’m going to cough up a fur ball.

Moussemoose · 26/01/2019 10:42

In the 3 ring Venn diagram of leave voters the rings contain a belief in capital punishment, Brexit and a tendency to believe conspiracy theories.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 26/01/2019 10:43

Why some poor people vote tory

I have a very long twitter post comparing it to Trump - the idea that the social construct of being poor means admitting you have failed and are not bright. How richer people (Boris/Farage) are still somehow assumed to have to be cleverer/better/worked harder to get that rich. They don't want to identify themselves as having failed - hence I've said before, it's an aspirational vote.

Quietrebel · 26/01/2019 10:47

Listening to a caller on LBC calling brexit the working class dream. Voted out to get a better future. I don't know... just like no one can compete with a ghost, killing a dream is very hard indeed.
I'm sadly convinced a PV is unlikely to bring a remain result.

Hazardswans · 26/01/2019 10:48

Re labour and conservatives and a bit of a derail.

I think a piece of this current crisis is the failure of unions, unions used to give working people power and a voice. In lots of the jobs now the feedback I hear is how friendly the rep's are with bosses and how they don't stick their necks out but instead nudge workers into towing the line.

Unions were the bridge between the working man and politics. If you cant rely or trust your union then by default are you encouraged to not trust politics?

Anyway if anyone is interested in one place where unions are still a thing , look into the Birmingham bin strikes over the past few years, the lads are currently working to rule (I think would have to check) and have huge support from the people....at least in Labour areas not to sure about the areas with Cons MPs.

Mistigri · 26/01/2019 10:50

Totally agree hazardswan, good post!

CountessConstance · 26/01/2019 10:53

@LonelyandTiredandLow
" the idea that the social construct of being poor means admitting you have failed and are not bright "
That makes sense alongside the Chris Grey (I think?) blog post re victim status (mentioned earlier- can't find the link)..
Whether the Uk remains or exits, pre-Brexiteers are victims, which is a convenient way to avoid responsibility.