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Westminsterenders: Don't Panic. Really Don't Panic. Honestly Don't Panic.

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RedToothBrush · 24/01/2019 21:24

Brexit invoked the spirit of WWII's Churchill. Instead its shaping up to be more like Gallipolli...

...if Gallipolli had been instigated by Captain Mainwaring not Churchill.

The point has come where the exit button is being hit by businesses. Everywhere. In the absence of certainity they have no alternative. Its costing them a fortune already. Ford reported today that fortune was $800 billion. And amongst all the other problems widewide it was facing, which mean it is looking to cut costs, it looks grim for their 14,000 workers in the UK if we end up with no deal.

And still Esther does a video about how we should love WTO terms and a Tory MEP says Airbus's latest warnings are just Project Fear II. Its easy to say that if its not your job on the line I guess. Or your life.

And now the narrative of the prefect brexit has moved on. Again. At the start it was 'all the benefits of the EU minus migration, then 'a Norway style deal', then we went to 'Canada Plus is best, then 'lets no deal and go to WTO'. The latest is 'oh well we can ignore WTO rules at the start because they won't catch up with us for 18 months'. The absence of a plan and the hatred for the EU is growing in a worrying fashion, and there shouldn't be any doubt of where it seeks to go.

Jacob Rees-Mogg yesterday stated that May should prerogue parliament to ensure Brexit. Even though he is fully aware that the legislation even to enable WTO in the event of no deal is not in place. This is about as far removed from democracy as you can go, before you actively start openly advocating for its removal. This desire to close parliament had previously been expressed by one Tory MP and has since been repeated by David Jones MP and is liable to become the next big Brexiteer trope. Indeed reading twitter BEFORE JRM declaration, this view to shut down parliament was already being widely expressed.

Indeed one anonymous senior Tory MP has remarked this week; “If you knock on a door and they have books on their shelves, you can be pretty sure these days they’re not voting Tory”.

So people are stockpiling quietly. They are hoarding what medication they can. They are ridiculed in the media for it. And yet with government advice to business and the increasing awareness of supply chain problems, visa issues and the effect of Brexit on the GFA people are getting more and more concerned and nervous. Its almost as if government doesn't understand the mechanics of how the country functions.

People understand what is happening. They are the people who keep the production lines running and they are the people who ensure that people are fed and healthy and are kept safe. They aren't 'experts' just experts in their own lives and reality.

We move into next week with attempt two of May trying to get the WA through parliament. It still seems inconceivable she can at this stage. But who knows?

Parliament is moving to try and remove no deal from the table. The Cooper- Boles Amendment is the one to watch. Despite this stopping no deal is still beyond their control under certain circumstances. No deal happens on 29th March regardless of whether we are ready. Unless we extend or revoke, and extending is beyond the scope of our parliament alone. And extending still fails to remove the threat of no deal at a later stage. It merely prolongs the agony and uncertainty. We are in desparate need of a resolution which formerly ties us closely to the EU in whatever form that comes.

On the other hand, there are moves tonight for a Murrison II amendment to end the backstop that is being backed by both Graham Brady and close May ally and deal supporter Damien Green. This is in contrast to the EU who today have doubled down in saying the backstop is none negogiable and the WA will not be ratified by the EU if there are changes to the backstop. So it looks like we may be headed for a collision course on this, which could result in No Deal.

We are now also told from a senior government source, that Theresa May has had, in the last few days, "a lightbulb moment as to the impact of no-deal on British manufacturing." as if this is supposed to reassure us. This is 2 and a half years after she became Prime Minister.

Its only a matter of time before national anxieties across the country progress into full on outright panic. We are getting very close to that moment.

For our sanity and for all our futures we need this government to take back control from the ERG and their ilk who are leading us down a path to destruction. Before its too late.

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MsLucyLastic · 25/01/2019 19:55

Thanks @Whatwouldscoobydoo.

I know what I wrote sounds completely cringy and Pollyanna-ish. I am not very good at writing.

Sorry about that.

AwdBovril · 25/01/2019 19:55

I have 72 toilet rolls. Plus the usual amount in the bathroom.

US shutdown is over? Has the Trump found a brain cell? Or a conscience?

bananacake2134 · 25/01/2019 19:57

I'm really struggling to see what your problem is with a MAGA hat
Dressing up as a Nazi.

Completely normal.

Check your privilege, dear.

MrsLettuce · 25/01/2019 20:01

I'm a dedicated lurker too, I don't post because I don't want to dilute the threads. End of. This place is in incredibly valuable resource.

So, yeah, huge thanks to all the Westminsterenders from me. Sterling work.

Grinchly · 25/01/2019 20:02

Differences of opinion are fine. Healthy. And I expect people will become more short fused in the coming weeks as Bidet draws ever closer. So there will inevitably be the odd spat here and there.

We won't agree about everything all,of the time and that's a good thing. The last thing we need is another cult.

It's what makes this thread the stand out social media source for Brexit.

I am indebted to RTB and all the other regular posters for educating me over the last two and a half years.

And to @bellinisurge for helping me to be sensible about extra buying-in, and to The former mrsr8 for her brilliant example of food bank volunteering.

All of this has made me think, explore a wide range of sources, increased my knowledge and pointed me in the right direction. Enriched my life in unexpected ways in a very dark, frightening and debilitating time.

Also cats.Grin

durgha · 25/01/2019 20:07

banana I think I know what you mean. It's like a Nazi uniform, no? But you are here because you know that this lot care about what is important for most of us. I was a zealot when I was young.
Now I just want to rub along with other people who broadly agree that being kind to each other and making sure no-one pops their clogs in a rich country for want of care is of paramount importance.

Efferlunt · 25/01/2019 20:09

Think the thread has moved on a bit but if you want to see what big business can do to small places with poor government, take a look at the island of Sark and some of the things that go on there, with major investors the Barclay Brothers. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/barclay-brothers-lose-legal-fight-over-sark-s-governance-9811862.html%3famp

RedToothBrush · 25/01/2019 20:09

US shutdown is over? Has the Trump found a brain cell? Or a conscience?

Neither. Stone got arrested, so he could do with some good news to make him sound reasonable and everyone to forget this story. He's only reopening for a couple if weeks before he does it all over again and holds the whole country to ransom again. The shutdown was never about the wall, its about flexing his muscles and showing his dictatoral power.

Anyway I digress.

Ian Dunt has a new week in review out. God I want to kiss Ian Dunt for this article. It captures the mood perfectly and explains how desperate and useless the WA amendments are. And how everyone is now salvaging the only half decent one - Cooper-Boles cos they are desperate not to be seen as frustrating Brexit (not just the Tories but almost the Labour front bench.

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/01/25/week-in-review-everything-is-dead-everywhere
Everything is dead everywhere

There's also a snippet in there I've not heard before regarding the Cooper-Boles amendment if it passes the HoC and makes it to the HoL...

Then there's the Lords problem. No matter how fast it is, the bill still needs to pass through the Lords, where eurosceptic peers have apparently been in talks with Liam Fox to filibuster it into oblivion. "We will fight this tooth and nail because it represents a clear attempt to frustrate Brexit," one of the lunatics said. They are charging us toward Armageddon with mad abandon and hate anyone who suggests we turn the wheel.

Dunt seems to nail these pieces so well. It's a welcome relief from all those who make excuses for which ever side it happens to be.

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durgha · 25/01/2019 20:10

ditto Grinchly

bananacake2134 · 25/01/2019 20:12

^But you are here because you know that this lot care about what is important for most of us. I was a zealot when I was young.
Now I just want to rub along with other people who broadly agree that being kind to each other^

Fascist paedophiles aren't that funny, I've always thought.

The jist of it is would be Tory rebels are getting nervous of supporting it because they fear being seen as trying to stop Brexit by the grassroots

Or fascist fools and their collaborators?

Look at your family and friends, Westminstenders.

Who is going to be the first to die because of the brexist food and medicine shortages?

Sort of like nazi bingo?

There was a phrase in the 3rd Reich.

'Talk through flowers'

It meant euphemising through the evil.

Obviously we can all choose which side we stand on.

bellinisurge · 25/01/2019 20:13

Didn't Brexiteers have something to say about unelected furriners telling us what to do ......?

Moussemoose · 25/01/2019 20:15

Fascist paedophiles aren't that funny

My cat is a facist but he is definitely not a paedophile, that's because we had his bollocks removed.

bellinisurge · 25/01/2019 20:15

@bananacake2134 Huh?

durgha · 25/01/2019 20:18

banana, Apologies, I really didn't know what you meant.

Whatsnewwithyou · 25/01/2019 20:20

Pmk and also just saw on facebook that #maga now stands for "many are getting arrested". 😁

TheElementsSong · 25/01/2019 20:23

we had his bollocks removed.

😂🤣

LonelyandTiredandLow · 25/01/2019 20:29

"ErrrrMAGA!" (Southpark)
"MAGA I wish I'd never seen your face" (Rod Stewart)
As pp have said, let's not derail. I don't think any posters on here underestimate the fascist directions either US or UK are going in.

Ta1kinPeace · 25/01/2019 20:29

banana
Sorry but your post at 20.12 make no sense at all
could you put it into simple language ?

bananacake2134 · 25/01/2019 20:34

could you put it into simple language
Don't be a nazi dick, or let your kids be nazi dicks.

Grinchly · 25/01/2019 20:38

Just following on, when we were in the books for the bunker phase, me and Tatiana had a massive disagreement about the merits or otherwise of Evelyn Waugh.

I think we both left it fairly amicably, which I am glad about as her contributions have always been very interesting and helpful.

The last thing in the world is further polarisation and fracturing based on perceived difference. .

We must continue to have healthy debate.

This clusterfuxk is bigger than all of us.

PestymcPestFace · 25/01/2019 20:39

Unfortunately I get it banana

Google the phrase if you don't

durgha · 25/01/2019 20:40

banana, would you be better off finding a group of pure people, so that you don't need to argue with folk who are largely in agreement with you? Or can you accept that we all have feet of clay?

Ta1kinPeace · 25/01/2019 20:41

banana
Please explain how "populist" = "Nazi"

The themes that Trump tapped into are exactly the same as Brexit
are you saying that Brexiters are Nazis ?
that will help Hmm

TheElementsSong · 25/01/2019 20:44

Please can we have more cats?

durgha · 25/01/2019 20:46

Ta 1 I worry that some Brexiteers might be fascists. I've not lived through a rise in fascism and my history is poor. www.pegc.us/archive/Articles/eco_ur-fascism.pdf

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