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Westminsterenders: Don't Panic. Really Don't Panic. Honestly Don't Panic.

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RedToothBrush · 24/01/2019 21:24

Brexit invoked the spirit of WWII's Churchill. Instead its shaping up to be more like Gallipolli...

...if Gallipolli had been instigated by Captain Mainwaring not Churchill.

The point has come where the exit button is being hit by businesses. Everywhere. In the absence of certainity they have no alternative. Its costing them a fortune already. Ford reported today that fortune was $800 billion. And amongst all the other problems widewide it was facing, which mean it is looking to cut costs, it looks grim for their 14,000 workers in the UK if we end up with no deal.

And still Esther does a video about how we should love WTO terms and a Tory MEP says Airbus's latest warnings are just Project Fear II. Its easy to say that if its not your job on the line I guess. Or your life.

And now the narrative of the prefect brexit has moved on. Again. At the start it was 'all the benefits of the EU minus migration, then 'a Norway style deal', then we went to 'Canada Plus is best, then 'lets no deal and go to WTO'. The latest is 'oh well we can ignore WTO rules at the start because they won't catch up with us for 18 months'. The absence of a plan and the hatred for the EU is growing in a worrying fashion, and there shouldn't be any doubt of where it seeks to go.

Jacob Rees-Mogg yesterday stated that May should prerogue parliament to ensure Brexit. Even though he is fully aware that the legislation even to enable WTO in the event of no deal is not in place. This is about as far removed from democracy as you can go, before you actively start openly advocating for its removal. This desire to close parliament had previously been expressed by one Tory MP and has since been repeated by David Jones MP and is liable to become the next big Brexiteer trope. Indeed reading twitter BEFORE JRM declaration, this view to shut down parliament was already being widely expressed.

Indeed one anonymous senior Tory MP has remarked this week; “If you knock on a door and they have books on their shelves, you can be pretty sure these days they’re not voting Tory”.

So people are stockpiling quietly. They are hoarding what medication they can. They are ridiculed in the media for it. And yet with government advice to business and the increasing awareness of supply chain problems, visa issues and the effect of Brexit on the GFA people are getting more and more concerned and nervous. Its almost as if government doesn't understand the mechanics of how the country functions.

People understand what is happening. They are the people who keep the production lines running and they are the people who ensure that people are fed and healthy and are kept safe. They aren't 'experts' just experts in their own lives and reality.

We move into next week with attempt two of May trying to get the WA through parliament. It still seems inconceivable she can at this stage. But who knows?

Parliament is moving to try and remove no deal from the table. The Cooper- Boles Amendment is the one to watch. Despite this stopping no deal is still beyond their control under certain circumstances. No deal happens on 29th March regardless of whether we are ready. Unless we extend or revoke, and extending is beyond the scope of our parliament alone. And extending still fails to remove the threat of no deal at a later stage. It merely prolongs the agony and uncertainty. We are in desparate need of a resolution which formerly ties us closely to the EU in whatever form that comes.

On the other hand, there are moves tonight for a Murrison II amendment to end the backstop that is being backed by both Graham Brady and close May ally and deal supporter Damien Green. This is in contrast to the EU who today have doubled down in saying the backstop is none negogiable and the WA will not be ratified by the EU if there are changes to the backstop. So it looks like we may be headed for a collision course on this, which could result in No Deal.

We are now also told from a senior government source, that Theresa May has had, in the last few days, "a lightbulb moment as to the impact of no-deal on British manufacturing." as if this is supposed to reassure us. This is 2 and a half years after she became Prime Minister.

Its only a matter of time before national anxieties across the country progress into full on outright panic. We are getting very close to that moment.

For our sanity and for all our futures we need this government to take back control from the ERG and their ilk who are leading us down a path to destruction. Before its too late.

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DGRossetti · 25/01/2019 17:13

Musing on the Apple idea ... because it's not going to fade away ...

What's Apples "worth" (checks) $900 billion ish ?

So if they offered every citizen in NI, say $10,000,000 it would cost them

2,000,000 x 10,000,000 = 100,000,000, or just over 1/10th of their net worth. For which they get a country. Not bad, if you want to start to write your own laws.

With Amazon and Google not far behind.

The serious point (yes, there is !) is that as these megacorps just grow and grow, at what point do they effectively become beyond any law ?

Eisenhower was incredibly prescient that this would happen except he could only express it in post WW2 terms, as he warned of the military industrial complex. Really it was the information industrial complex we needed to watch ... especially as it looks the the next war will be fought with computers, not tanks.

1tisILeClerc · 25/01/2019 17:18

If it all gets too much you would be welcome over here.
Maybe make a deal with some Iranians or whoever for a second hand boat. A void the machine guns of May, trying to stop you escaping then over you come. You only need sarnies for the journey, unless it is Sunday as everything is shut.
Alternatively come on 28th on the ferry like normal people.

PestymcPestFace · 25/01/2019 17:21

Apple buying NI for $10,000,000 per head would be an interesting social experiment DGR.
i) would it be ethical?
ii) would it fix the Brexit problems?

Moussemoose · 25/01/2019 17:26

I don't think my cat would like France. Too many foreigners.

TheElementsSong · 25/01/2019 17:29

^^

Kidding.

GingerPCatt · 25/01/2019 17:30

My mad cat did a brexiteer impression the other day. She had crawled into the duvet cover and then couldn’t get out. She gone the wrong way and was burrowing in the corner trapped. DH found her when he came home from work. He had to try and find her in the duvet and she was not happy that he pulled her out. She hissed a him and then did that little “I meant to do that” trot off downstairs to check her food dish.

Westminsterenders: Don't Panic. Really Don't Panic. Honestly Don't Panic.
DGRossetti · 25/01/2019 17:30

Can't answer the Apple questions really. But I would hope someone somewhere is doing some serious thinking about the possibility in the not-too distant future, some megacorp decides to splash a lot of spondulicks around to get their own way.

Even as things stand, it's not impossible that Apple/Amazon/Google could just buy a little island somewhere, declare it an independent state, and invite the rest of the world to have a go - if they think they're hard enough.

It's not even unprecedented ... it's haw some US states pretty much came into existence.

And India was basically "owned" by a private company long before it became the Jewel in the Crown.

Maybe Apple, Google Amazon and Microsoft could merge and call themselves "Sirius Cybernetics" ?

1tisILeClerc · 25/01/2019 17:30

{A woman suffered puncture wounds after she was bitten by a 5ft python as she sat down on the toilet at a house in Brisbane.
Helen Richards, 59, was attacked by the carpet python when she visited a relative in the city.
She received a couple of minor, non-venomous puncture wounds from the reptile, which had sought a watery refuge in the toilet bowl}

From SKY news. And you think Brexit is a pain in the arse!

freezinguplands · 25/01/2019 17:30

mousse I too have a Siamese that hates all other cats. Although he has learned to live with (totally subjugate) his Mexican dog friend.
I take a small regular enjoyment in the knowledge that I have imported a Mexican dog into the land of the 🍊 one. It's the small things that keep you going.

Apileofballyhoo · 25/01/2019 17:30

Or big shady business could just buy the whole of the UK, convince its citizens that being part of the EU is a bad thing and being a completely stand alone country would be a much better idea, and then they could write all their own laws to suit them!

Oh wait. They don't need to buy it.

phpolly · 25/01/2019 17:31

Donald Trump isn't interested in acquiring/developing more of Scotland. First of all, he has a few other more pressing matters on his plate on the moment. Second, the Scots are too much trouble - other people in other parts of the world roll over much more easily, as we've seen.

phpolly · 25/01/2019 17:33

Oh ffs @Elements - can you give it a rest?? I think everyone else has moved on.

prettybird · 25/01/2019 17:36

Our two Siamese boys are tarts very friendly: there is a big black and white cat who must be a similar age to them who they play with. They're called Frasier and Niles Grin - so we have called the black and white cat "Cam Winston" Grin (we don't know where he comes from though).

The old girl cat doesn't go out much any more - but she used to escort other cats off the premises Wink

We also have soft urban foxes Hmm. We regularly see them trotting across the front nd back gardens (there is even a visible fox track in the grass at the front) - and we have seen them playing with a ginger cat in the back garden Shock (we think they were a bit confused and thought it was another cub - its was young foxes who were trying to play) Confused

StoorieHoose · 25/01/2019 17:37

I can assure you that there would be a repeat of the Balloon and Donald’s Wig and more if he tried to buy Scotland

Prettybird I have failed at numerous attempts at my grans tablet, my mums soup and great grannies truffles however this weekend I am attempting my SILs cheesecake and grannies soda bread. I’m a trier!

DGRossetti · 25/01/2019 17:40

Donald Trump isn't interested in acquiring/developing more of Scotland.

I wasn't really thinking of a person ... too ephemeral, too transient ... I was thinking of the impersonal amorphous entity that is a "corporation". Which - unless I am very much mistaken - has been deemed to be a "person" when it comes to a lot of laws. It's one of the key secrets to the rich staying and keeping rich by side-stepping inheritance taxes.

phpolly · 25/01/2019 17:42

I would welcome a better recipe for tablet than the one I've inherited...

phpolly · 25/01/2019 17:46

Donald Trump - person, entity, corporation, or whatever else - is surely watching his step, given all the ongoing investigations and how closely he is being scrutinised. However, common sense has never been his strong suit.

durgha · 25/01/2019 17:51

Re: Scots

Polly, You remind me of my daughter. Intelligent, engaged and heart on sleeve. Can I give you a virtual hug?

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Hasenstein · 25/01/2019 17:55

Moussemoose

Full of admiration for your surgical boldness. I just hope you gave the poor animal some anaesthetic first. Grin

phpolly · 25/01/2019 17:55

@durgha hugs back to you (and your daughter).

I do love Janey Godley.

bellinisurge · 25/01/2019 17:55

@DGRossetti Sirius cybernetics corporation 😂.
Share and enjoy!

durgha · 25/01/2019 18:01

And Polly, they are all good guys here x

TheElementsSong · 25/01/2019 18:02

Sirius cybernetics corporation

Grin

I think it would do Brexiteers some good to spend a bit of time in the Total Perspective Vortex, then we could have less of the DontTheyKnowWhoWeAre and TheyNeedUsMoreThanWeNeedThem crap.

prettybird · 25/01/2019 18:02

One of my best friends' beloved husband died today (probably my oldest friend although there's a big gap in the middle when we'd lost touch). That puts things in perspective Sad

TheElementsSong · 25/01/2019 18:04

prettybird Condolences Sad Flowers