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Westminsterenders: Don't Panic. Really Don't Panic. Honestly Don't Panic.

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RedToothBrush · 24/01/2019 21:24

Brexit invoked the spirit of WWII's Churchill. Instead its shaping up to be more like Gallipolli...

...if Gallipolli had been instigated by Captain Mainwaring not Churchill.

The point has come where the exit button is being hit by businesses. Everywhere. In the absence of certainity they have no alternative. Its costing them a fortune already. Ford reported today that fortune was $800 billion. And amongst all the other problems widewide it was facing, which mean it is looking to cut costs, it looks grim for their 14,000 workers in the UK if we end up with no deal.

And still Esther does a video about how we should love WTO terms and a Tory MEP says Airbus's latest warnings are just Project Fear II. Its easy to say that if its not your job on the line I guess. Or your life.

And now the narrative of the prefect brexit has moved on. Again. At the start it was 'all the benefits of the EU minus migration, then 'a Norway style deal', then we went to 'Canada Plus is best, then 'lets no deal and go to WTO'. The latest is 'oh well we can ignore WTO rules at the start because they won't catch up with us for 18 months'. The absence of a plan and the hatred for the EU is growing in a worrying fashion, and there shouldn't be any doubt of where it seeks to go.

Jacob Rees-Mogg yesterday stated that May should prerogue parliament to ensure Brexit. Even though he is fully aware that the legislation even to enable WTO in the event of no deal is not in place. This is about as far removed from democracy as you can go, before you actively start openly advocating for its removal. This desire to close parliament had previously been expressed by one Tory MP and has since been repeated by David Jones MP and is liable to become the next big Brexiteer trope. Indeed reading twitter BEFORE JRM declaration, this view to shut down parliament was already being widely expressed.

Indeed one anonymous senior Tory MP has remarked this week; “If you knock on a door and they have books on their shelves, you can be pretty sure these days they’re not voting Tory”.

So people are stockpiling quietly. They are hoarding what medication they can. They are ridiculed in the media for it. And yet with government advice to business and the increasing awareness of supply chain problems, visa issues and the effect of Brexit on the GFA people are getting more and more concerned and nervous. Its almost as if government doesn't understand the mechanics of how the country functions.

People understand what is happening. They are the people who keep the production lines running and they are the people who ensure that people are fed and healthy and are kept safe. They aren't 'experts' just experts in their own lives and reality.

We move into next week with attempt two of May trying to get the WA through parliament. It still seems inconceivable she can at this stage. But who knows?

Parliament is moving to try and remove no deal from the table. The Cooper- Boles Amendment is the one to watch. Despite this stopping no deal is still beyond their control under certain circumstances. No deal happens on 29th March regardless of whether we are ready. Unless we extend or revoke, and extending is beyond the scope of our parliament alone. And extending still fails to remove the threat of no deal at a later stage. It merely prolongs the agony and uncertainty. We are in desparate need of a resolution which formerly ties us closely to the EU in whatever form that comes.

On the other hand, there are moves tonight for a Murrison II amendment to end the backstop that is being backed by both Graham Brady and close May ally and deal supporter Damien Green. This is in contrast to the EU who today have doubled down in saying the backstop is none negogiable and the WA will not be ratified by the EU if there are changes to the backstop. So it looks like we may be headed for a collision course on this, which could result in No Deal.

We are now also told from a senior government source, that Theresa May has had, in the last few days, "a lightbulb moment as to the impact of no-deal on British manufacturing." as if this is supposed to reassure us. This is 2 and a half years after she became Prime Minister.

Its only a matter of time before national anxieties across the country progress into full on outright panic. We are getting very close to that moment.

For our sanity and for all our futures we need this government to take back control from the ERG and their ilk who are leading us down a path to destruction. Before its too late.

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BiglyBadgers · 25/01/2019 18:04

It's not even unprecedented ... it's haw some US states pretty much came into existence.

Disney built a town in Florida called Celebration and though in theory governance decisions are made by votes from the town's landowners since Disney remain the largest landowners....well...

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebration,_Florida

Destiel · 25/01/2019 18:05

Very sorry to hear that prettybird

Perspective indeed.

May he rest in peace x

StoorieHoose · 25/01/2019 18:06

I love Janeys voice overs she does of Nicola and Teresa

twitter.com/janeygodley/status/1088147622798475264?s=21

DGRossetti · 25/01/2019 18:07

In the other non Brexit theme (cats aside) DW and I don't share a taste in gin (she's Brandy, I prefer Scotch)

but Sambuca and Limoncello are a shared joy Grin

Westminsterenders: Don't Panic. Really Don't Panic. Honestly Don't Panic.
StoorieHoose · 25/01/2019 18:07

Sorry to hear that prettybird Flowers

Tonsilss · 25/01/2019 18:09

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PerverseConverse · 25/01/2019 18:09

prettybird Thanks

phpolly · 25/01/2019 18:11

I am so sorry, @prettybird. Flowers

phpolly · 25/01/2019 18:12

I know and believe that @durgha. x

Ta1kinPeace · 25/01/2019 18:13

A PP posted this last night but it warrants repeating - I'd forgotten how good it is

durgha · 25/01/2019 18:17

pretty Flowers It's a sair fecht.

RedToothBrush · 25/01/2019 18:18

www.totalpolitics.com/articles/opinion/tom-clarkson-brexit-starting-take-its-toll-jeremy-corbyn#.XEtNWEZirDJ.twitter
Tom Clarkson: Brexit is starting to take its toll on Jeremy Corbyn

Please get past the headline on this. The rest of the content is fascinating. It's reflection on a voters focus group:

The body language in Slough last week spoke for itself – initially cheery demeanours switched to slumped shoulders, resigned facial expressions and sighs of exasperation once the conversation moved on to Brexit. Neither Leave nor Remain voters now think that the Brexit we are heading for is a good idea in itself: “We’ve not got anything back, we’ve given loads of concessions, they’re in control.”

Leave and Remain voters and also united in their despair at the political classes. I have run countless focus groups on Brexit over the last two years, but rarely have I seen any more dejected citizens than last week in Slough. There is of course criticism of Theresa May, Jeremy Corbyn and other individuals, but above all the message is that the whole political establishment has failed the public. 83% of the public agree that ‘the entire political establishment has failed the country on Brexit’. Voters bemoan a perceived lack of decisiveness: “Just make a decision – leave or don’t leave.” But perhaps more than anything they despise the descent into ‘party politicking’ which they feel have characterised the last few months. “They’re not interested in the general public, they just want to keep their party in.”

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Ta1kinPeace · 25/01/2019 18:23

@DGRosetti
My son bought a MAGA hat - he wears it for fancy dress at Uni
it was made in China Grin

SusanWalker · 25/01/2019 18:23

Flowers for you prettybird.

Ponders making a batch of mums special date chutney to jazz up the chopped ham and pork after brexit.

Mumsnet seems to be mentioned in every stockpiling item. It was on you and yours today.

Missbel · 25/01/2019 18:27

Thank you Ta1kinPeace and the PP - that's wonderful!

borntobequiet · 25/01/2019 18:27

Just as I was reading about Mark Francois and his letter ripping my cat decided to have a crap!
She’s really getting this politics lark.

bananacake2134 · 25/01/2019 18:36

^My son bought a MAGA hat - he wears it for fancy dress at Uni
it was made in China grin^
Yuk.

Lucygoeswalkies · 25/01/2019 18:37

Moussemousse I too have a Siamese cat. His politics are so far to the right of the hard brexiteers, it’s positively embarrassing. Known locally as ‘the geezer’. Known by me ‘as git-face’.

PestymcPestFace · 25/01/2019 18:38

Seville oranges are now in store. Time to make and stockpile marmalade. Just don't brand burn yourselves. I'm never going to risk tablet Sad

bananacake2134 · 25/01/2019 18:42

Ooh look.

Theresa isn't just a corrupt racist Kompromat.

She's a pimp.

In the old fashioned sense.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/25/presidents-club-co-chair-paid-50k-to-dine-with-theresa-may?CMP=share_btn_tw

Lucygoeswalkies · 25/01/2019 18:44

Moussemoose and Leclerc. I’ve just realised I managed to spell your names incorrectly earlier. Apologies...

1tisILeClerc · 25/01/2019 18:46

Lucygoeswalkies
Since it isn't my name I am not that fussed but thanks!

RedToothBrush · 25/01/2019 18:47

Meet Mark.

In his own words...

I was born in Islington, north London, in 1965, the son of working class parents. My father, Reginald Francois, was an engineer who had fought in the Royal Navy in the Second World War (he was on a minesweeper on D Day). My mother, Anna Carloni, was Italian and met my dad after coming to the UK as an au pair in the early 1960s.

www.conservativehome.com/platform/2014/04/mark-francois-mp-raised-on-a-council-estate-and-reared-on-tales-of-churchill-why-i-am-a-conservative.html

I warn you it doesn't get much better. He sounds like the teenager who was obsessed by tanks but never grew up.

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Ta1kinPeace · 25/01/2019 18:47

banana
I voted against Trump. I'll vote against him in 2020
I think its really funny that DS has a MAGA hat (cos Trump does not make money from them) - as do many of my US family who know about it.
The best way to deal with folks like the Donald is ridicule Wink

bananacake2134 · 25/01/2019 18:50

Yeah, ridiculing Nazis definitely stopped them in their tracks.