Westminstenders: At the point of collapse?

[RedToothBrush]

May is in trouble. The Tory Party are in trouble.

Brexit is not in trouble, but we certainly are.

May's problem is she has no way forward.

One the one hand, the ERG will not accept anything to soften Brexit. That's an extension or Norway. Or a second ref. The story tonight emerging of Rees-Mogg as 'peacemaker' is quite the opposite. Its a thinly veiled threat saying if you do not please the ERG we will split and no longer support the PM. They will quiet simply threaten to collapse the government if May decides on that course. Their gamble will be that with the Tories ahead in the polls, they can get enough seats to enable no deal or cause enough chaos to cause accidental no deal. Thus forcing out One Nation Tories from the party.

One the other hand if May does not soften Brexit, rumour has it that 20 ministers including several cabinet, will walk. There is talk of cabinet ministers supporting a second ref and of others supporting Nick Boles proposals and demanding a free vote on the matter.

May on the other hand seemed determined to pursue plan A which is now plan B, in the form of the WA. In order to do this her plan was go for cross party talks and a compromise. The trouble is May doesn't understand what the word compromise means, because... Well see above about the two factions within the Tory Party presenting a bit of an issue to that. She felt the WA was the only way to stop the party split / stop the government collasping.

In addition to this we have Labour trying to avoid a split. Corbyn had his ridiculous starting point to cross party talks being completely impossible for May. You can't take no deal off the table if it is the table. Corbyn was essentially asking directly for a revocation or extension to A50 clause. May could not agree to that because... Well see above.

Corbyn is now talking about whipping against Grieve's amendment which sort to create a cross party consensus. Bizarrely grieves suggestion seemed to be for a minority rather than majority which rather undermined it, by Corbyn's real motivation is about his power, preventing a centre consensus and possible splits in the Labour Party.

Corbyn merely wants to be obstructive, and block everything now as he thinks May and the Conservative Party are doomed to fail and the government will fail. And arguably this is a good and sensible calculation as things stand.

May's next Meaningful vote is due on the 29th Jan. But 28th Feb is pencilled in for a general election. Meaning it would have to be called by Thursday this week.

Will it happen?

We find out, not on this thread, but the next one... Or maybe even the one after that!

PS there was a bomb in Londonderry. And there's talk of a bilateral treaty with Ireland (a euphemisms for renegotiating the GFA).

Brexit was always ultimately about NI.

Indie:
"A small number of people who renewed their passports between 30 June and mid-September 2018 will, when 30 March 2019 arrives, have passports which are valid for over 10 years."

I just remembered, last September, when I had less than 10 years, my passport was still queried at the local govt registration office when I moved house:

they said my passport looks faulty because the dates of issue and expiry has more than 10 years between.

I expect that query will keep being raised in future

I suppose I should clarify that on the adult isle for candy about half is British. The adults tend to be a bit more disconcerting. The British candy is a bit more pricey but not outrageously so.

Up front through the checkout lines they have generally American candy on both sides as you go through. The idea is that little kiddies riding in a cart will see something they like and reach over and grab and if Mommy says they can't have it the kiddies will have a fit.

Just in case they have candy near the floor so that the kiddies who aren't in a cart can still grab something they like.

People from the Great Depression era were taught to eat everything on their plate. A few years ago there was an attempt to change that to leave something on your plate but that seems to have faded.

It probably won't be just candy, medical equipment and supplies and other things you never really thought about may well be impacted by UK import / export difficulties.

{The adults tend to be a bit more disconcerting. }
Please excuse me commenting but I presume you mean discerning.
An interesting slip of the finger putting a whole new meaning on things.

There is a lot of psychology used in supermarkets, a good reason why you should have had a meal before you go, and don't take children or partners.

LeClerc

Yea, thanks, that is what I meant. I have learned to not go grocery shopping if you are hungry ( you tend to want to buy too much ) or if you are feeling bloated ( you tend to want to buy too little ).

Scuz3 the Mail link and typos (iPad screen issues):

Tory rebels panic as Rsmainer plot to delay Brexit bites

Hardline Tory Eurosceptics have been alarmed by a wave of cross-party bids to seize control of the process from the government and stop the UK crashing out of the EU....

I can feel a growing consensus among a number of MPs who in the light of being faced with these Europhile Kamikaze MPs who really don't care about their careers going up in flames, who want to overturn Parliamentary tradition in order to stop Brexit,' Ms Dorries said.

'I think many people are now realising that we would support this deal in order to get it over the line.

'Because every day here is a dangerous day at the moment.

'We may have to see that this is a deal, we will have to swallow our pride, swallow what we would prefer, and vote for it.'...

In another apparent shift, Eurosceptic ringleader Jacob Rees-Mogg suggested over the weekend that Mrs May's deal was better than no Brexit.

I thought they would have figfued it out before the WA vote, but they are quite stupid, and apparently need to have it spelt out to them.

Or at totm - you just want chocolate !
(thankfully, totm is long behind me)

It is always possible to unilaterally withdraw from any international treaty

Of course it is. If you’re willing to hack the consequences. That’s thwat the headbangers are counting on. They think a US trade deal will protect them. Trump won’t penalise them because he wants this U.K.-US deal

Dorries complaining about kamikazes ?

I'm happy if MPs "don't care about their careers going up in flames", if their priority is to protect their consituents and the country.

I object to MPs who don't care whether the jobs & lives of ordinary people go up in flames, so long as their Dogs Brexit happens.

No US trade deal will replace anywhere near what we lose

Esther Webberr@estwebber*

The Speaker has granted @joswinson^ an urgent question on obstacles to proxy voting following this story, expected c. 1pm:^

...

Excl: Chief [Tory] whip is blocking the introduction of proxy voting for new parents while the big Brexit votes continue,
according to multiple sources

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/chief-whip-blamed-for-proxy-vote-delay-sqq6zwb6r#

Julian Smith, the chief whip, is trying to obstruct a change in the voting system that would help MPs on maternity leave while he attempts to steer Theresa May’s Brexit deal through the Commons,
according to multiple sources.

The main parties agreed in principle more than six months ago that those MPs should be allowed to vote by proxy.

Sam Coates Times@SamCoatesTimes

Labour frontbencher Rebecca Long-Bailey calls Yvette Cooper amendment - which begins the process of stopping no deal - “fantastic”

• further sign Labour cd swing behind it

No US trade deal will replace anywhere near what we lose

Don’t have to tell me that, tell the headbangers.

This is an example of why we should examine what we read and who is telling us things:
Jo Maugham QC Retweeted kadhim (＾ｰ^)ノ^^@kadhimshubber

This is stunning.

A senior executive at the NHS joins a healthcare startup and then, before she leaves government, writes an article for The Times^
under her NHS title in which she praises the startup, without disclosing that they've hired her

https://amp.ft.com/content/4045ca1c-1b47-11e9-b93e-f4351a53f1c3?

Just tailing off this thread with a reminder

MNHQ admit that the "active conversations" list is censored
so the hottest topic in the UK often does not appear on it ...

And by is that @Ta1kinPeace ?

Why not by.

HQ we need an edit button.

I think HQ said brexit threads generated a lot of reports.

This thread appears on my active convos

Perverse
Have a look at the thread in site stuff

I admit that the response from MNHQ was not what I was expecting

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/3484809-Active-Threads-What-is-the-real-criteria-as-it-is-NOT-activity?pg=2&order=

TiP's thread.

Can people really not see it? Why can I
Bizarre

I just clicked on here from active. It often shown up in active for me.