Starting to feel really scared now...

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I’m feeling incredibly anxious about Brexit, today more than ever. I think it’s because of the new Question Time, where everyone was cheering that Isabelle Oakshotte woman when she advocated no deal.

I’m terrified my home is going to drop into negative equity and I won’t be able to keep up the mortgage payments, and that my business could go under. I know these fears are immaterial when compared with some other people’s, who worry they could lose access to life saving medicine.

Is there anything anyone can say to reassure me even just a little bit - that no deal might end up not being as bad as people are predicting; or even better, that the whole thing is called off or we get a PV and remain wins? What’s the likelihood of that?

I just need a glimmer of hope right now...

I am voting based on MY circumstances and what I want for MY future. That is how everyone votes - for what they believe wl be the best for them.

I don't vote on behald of anyone else or for anyone elses circumstances.

That is how everyone votes - for what they believe wl be the best for them.

I genuinely vote for what I think is best for society and I don't think I'm alone.

Pink gin - that is simply not true. I don’t vote based on my circumstances. Most people I know don’t either. I think about society as a whole. As a lot of people do. But not enough sadly. I think we would live in a much nicer country if people could see past the end of their own noses.

It’s not the EU’s job to protect the citizens of any member country from the unwise and unkind policies of that country’s government, and people would be rightly up in arms if it interfered in such a way. Its function and purpose is to facilitate trade and commerce. That’s what the Single Market and Customs Union are for. That’s what the European Court of Justice is for - to ensure that trade is conducted properly and fairly according to the rules.
Successful modern economies often rely heavily on immigrant workers to do the jobs the native population can’t or won’t do. Immigrants are happy to do this because they are financially better off than if they stayed at home. It’s up to the country’s government to ensure that immigrants are properly treated and that their arrival doesn’t overwhelm the physical and social infrastructure of the country, which our successive governments failed to do.
Our problems are of our own making. Leaving the EU will only make them worse because it will make us poorer.

Not forgetting that to trade on WTO rules we need to be part of the WTO - which we aren’t currrntly.

And the fact there are no WTO rules for services. Which is why so much of the financial sector is relocating at least part of their operations to the EU.

Also forgetting that all our trade deals outside the Eu currently are on Eu negotiated trade deals that would cease on a no deal.

But hey ho at least we “get back control”

Let the shitshow commence.

@pinkgin24

It’s peoole like you which is why this country is fucked in so many ways

It’s all about me me me and fuck the rest of you. Which is probably why we don’t see the Eu like the rest of Europe.

Ah well.

whiteknuckleride That did make me chuckle. This society is fundamentally unfair and the middle-classes have developed a highly complex and effective system which keeps them and their dc secure whilst shitting in those financially and socially beneath them. Nobody has given a shiny shit about unfairness until Brexit happened and the middle-classes realised it could have a negative impact on them. I have read the posts on here. It is full of ranting university lecturers and people who enjoyed a year travelling across Europe who worry their dc won’t be able to do the same. And now they are pissed off that people in deprived areas who clearly cannot have grasped the concept of Brexit dares to vote in favour of it. When did anybody in the UK ever care about society? Give me a fucking break.

Isn’t this awful thick Oakshot woman some sort of paid agitator? Russian money involved no doubt.

It’s very difficult to take someone seriously with those hair extensions.

I genuinely vote for what I think is best for society and I don't think I'm alone

Me too. I couldn't vote for something that can see people hungry, cold, ill, or dying as long as I'm ok,. And that poster will likely not be ok, they just don't understand.

And that's the reason they can't give the no deal option in any second referendum. Too many people simply don't have a grasp on it. And as said, when it goes wrong and it becomes hard they quickly change their tunes to, well why didn't they stop it happening.

@Bowchicawowow, have you looked at your tax return? I received mine recently and the amount of tax I paid last year which was then spent on our EU membership was £22. Quite a bargain for free emergency medical care in 27 other countries I thought!
We don't pay vast sums of money to the EU, it was the second smallest payment on my tax return.

IheartNiles Why are you slagging off another woman’s appearance? That is totally wrong.

HerLadySheep We pay £13 billion and we get get £4 billion back. That’s what I was referring to.

Everyone has their own vote. Everyone can use that to vote as they wish. I don't - and why would I ever... - use that to vote for someone elses circumstances and not my own!?

That is how everyone votes - for what they believe wl be the best for them.
It's really not. Please don't judge everyone else by your own selfishness.

Selfish? How ridiculous.

Staunch remainer here - however, my job (working with the homeless, mentally ill and vulnerable) will be completely secure if we have no deal. Great. (sarcasm, just in case anyone thought I was being genuinely gleeful)

Leavers should be right behind May's WA. It takes us out of the EU. That it doesn't do it exactly as they might have wanted is neither here nor there. It fulfills the remit.

{Not forgetting that to trade on WTO rules we need to be part of the WTO - which we aren’t currently.}
This bit isn't true. If/when the UK leaves it reverts to it's original membership, so we have got over that hurdle, but then we will be trading on the WTO 'base rates' with no specific 'deals' with anybody.
It is like a tennis match, the WTO sets the rules and gives both players 3 points each as a 'starter'. From then on all the negotiations have to start.
Having skim read the last 3 pages it is obvious that some of the less regular posters on Brexit threads don't understand what the EU can and does do. It does not micromanage any country. It makes proposals that are discussed then VOTED ON in the European Parliament by MEPs who then bring this to their respective governments. Then the SOVEREIGN governments sign up to the treaty or law, but it is down to the individual countries to action and police these laws and regulations.
When you have the loudmouth Farage who stands to gain a lot personally by laving the UK leave the EU and in the process is being abusive in behaviour while in Brussels it is easy to see why things are going wrong. He is the kid at the party who smashes the toys.

Why ridiculous? It is basically the dictionary definition of selfishness.

Bow Liverpool? its a very long way from Calais! presumably needing different boats able to deal with the seas in the western approaches.

What the xxxx is going on when we have a slick operation involving a 2 hour sailing at Dover and want to swap it for an 18hr one at Liverpool !!!! Madness to even contemplate this.

i thought uk export trade with the EU was around 45% not 13% ???

@bowchicawowwow- speak for yourself. But I honestly don’t see how leaving the EU will help with the things you are describing. I agree that we need a radical overhaul of society and attitudes but we need that whatever happens. And some people do give a shit about this.

You can fuck off with your assumptions about the middle class. For starters, lots of them are right wing Tory voters that voted leave. You think they want to help the deprived They are exactly the people that complain about ‘scroungers’ and care only about the (in their eyes) poor. That’s who leave voters in deprived areas have jumped into bed with and they are also the core Tory membership that the government pander to so good luck with that. Middle class includes a huge range of people inc most public sector workers. Do think they are all rich and selfish? Where does this thinking lead, anyway? When we’ve got rid of EU citizens, do we start rounding up all the doctors and teachers, pol pot style? After all, they are just sooooo selfish, they have definitely caused this shit show, right?
Inverse snobbery at its worst.

Leavers should be right behind May's WA. It takes us out of the EU. That it doesn't do it exactly as they might have wanted is neither here nor there. It fulfills the remit

Agree. It's a million miles better than no deal for the country, sitting arguing that we could get better is ludicrous, if we could get better don't these people think the civil servants who negotiated it would have done so?

They same civil servants who would still negotiate it irrelevant of who is in power. People fail to grasp as much as it hurts the eu if we crash with no deal, it's the people of the U.K. who will suffer the most. By a long way. We have the most to lose. Not the Eu. It's us that's in the shit.

it is obvious that some of the less regular posters on Brexit threads don't understand what the EU can and does do.
It is increasingly obvious on these threads that a lot of posters have no idea how the EU works or how parliament works - it is tiring and frustrating seeing the same arguments posted again and again by leavers which are just simply not true. The referendum was the first time a lot of people voted and I think a lot of people didn t bother to inform themselves at all before the referendum or since - yet it would be undemocratic not to leave?!

That should be deserving poor. Tory members care about the “deserving” poor only. So don’t expect any reforms to help those in deprived areas- it doesn’t sit well with Tory members who think such people are scroungers.