Starting to feel really scared now...

[Crimson72]

I’m feeling incredibly anxious about Brexit, today more than ever. I think it’s because of the new Question Time, where everyone was cheering that Isabelle Oakshotte woman when she advocated no deal.

I’m terrified my home is going to drop into negative equity and I won’t be able to keep up the mortgage payments, and that my business could go under. I know these fears are immaterial when compared with some other people’s, who worry they could lose access to life saving medicine.

Is there anything anyone can say to reassure me even just a little bit - that no deal might end up not being as bad as people are predicting; or even better, that the whole thing is called off or we get a PV and remain wins? What’s the likelihood of that?

I just need a glimmer of hope right now...

I don’t make assumptions about the middle-class. My views are based on my dealings with them them throughout my entire life. They really are pretty good at feathering their own nests and keeping the downtrodden down.

Yeah, I know people like that and they all voted leave. Hence I could think that all leave voters are comfortably off, right wing Tory voters, but that’s not true is it?

I know a lot of middle class people that have dedicated their working lives to helping others. What utter bastards, obviously just feathering their own nests.

I don't - and why would I ever... - use that to vote for someone elses circumstances and not my own!?

I guess because I am part of society, so to see it improving benefits me as much as anyone else. I rather resent the idea that no one cared about it till Brexit, although I would agree that Brexit has brought home to many the degree of disengagement, resentment and distrust that a lot of people have in the way the country is run. I have worked in a field that means I have been aware for a very long time of the problems in our country. Regional disparities with no solution offered by government. Third generation unemployment with no engagement or prospect of improvement. Poor standards in social housing and a lack of it to boot. Unfair rules around benefits and work, and the longstanding perception that immigrants get a better deal. I have voted throughout my life for parties whose policies seemed most likely to alleviate these and other issues, and I've been disappointed along the way.

Also, while I have a secure job and housing, enough money to lead a nice life, and enough food to eat, I have seen the impact of declining public services on me, my family and friends. How could I not vote in a way that I believe might make my country better for those who currently have such a hard time of it?

{We pay £13 billion and we get get £4 billion back.}
While in pure monetary terms this may be true, it is not actually what being an EU member is about.
When you go to a hairdresser you hand over a load of money. You don't walk out with the same money but you ho have your hair cut. in fact you are coming out with LESS than you started with.
The contribution to the EU covers things like MEPs expenses and all the people involved in the millions of tiny but important rules and regulations that make sure your tin of baked beans has the right number of beans inside and that it is a high quality and will not poison you.
EVERYTHING in your life that you can buy is covered by a regulation of some sort.
Leaving the EU, the UK will have to replicate all of this if it wants to sell anything out of the UK. Yes the UK is 'following' the rules, but the necessary infrastructure is pooled across 28 countries.

Oh come one Sergent. You only need to read the posts on here to see that the majority of Mumsnetters who claim to be left-wing/liberal and committed to social equality are in fact pretty committed to keeping the status quo because it suits them. Hence why they have all gone ballistic that Brexit could change that.

If your dc’s school is falling to bits it’s hard to see further than the £13 billion in, £4 billion back figure.

If people cared so much are social inequality why the fuck is it still so bad. Worse then ever in fact.

I don’t make assumptions about the middle-class

Yes you are, selfishness knows no class boundaries, there is meanness of spirit across society.
Plenty of leavers will say "xxxx euramus, my kids will never go study in europe" my response to that is "why not?"

Of course, it is so called mc people who are paying a large proportion of tax in this country.

I say what I see jas.

If people cared so much are social inequality why the fuck is it still so bad. Worse then ever in fact.

Not enough people do.

Actually it's more complicated, because it's more than not enough people that vote, in the right constituencies, do.

Mumsnet is not representative of a whole class! It’s representative of people sounding off on the internet, not much else. I find your views really insulting tbh. The reason that people on here are ballistic is that it will wreck things for everyone. I could suck it up if brexit meant hardened circumstances for me but improved things for a swathe of society but it won’t.

The 9 billion figure would make zero difference spread across the injustices we have in this country..... now £200 billion spent on Trident? now you are talking!

As for tax please don’t pretend that the wealthy nobly pay their taxes in the knowledge it will be spent on making society fairer. A lot of people spend a lot of time trying to pay as little tax as possible.

Of course, it is so called mc people who are paying a large proportion of tax in this country.

Could you unravel this point a bit because I wouldn't want to over-react on a misunderstanding.

If your dc’s school is falling to bits

The £38 million that was handed over to a company with no ferries could probably have mended it.

No?

I don’t give a fuck that you are offended sergeant.

Smile Get your facts straight. I voted remain. I would never Vote for a Tory in a million years.

The costs to government of Brexit have already been astronomical, and that will continue. Oddly enough these figures haven't been rehearsed in the media as much as that £14bn.