Starting to feel really scared now...

[Crimson72]

I’m feeling incredibly anxious about Brexit, today more than ever. I think it’s because of the new Question Time, where everyone was cheering that Isabelle Oakshotte woman when she advocated no deal.

I’m terrified my home is going to drop into negative equity and I won’t be able to keep up the mortgage payments, and that my business could go under. I know these fears are immaterial when compared with some other people’s, who worry they could lose access to life saving medicine.

Is there anything anyone can say to reassure me even just a little bit - that no deal might end up not being as bad as people are predicting; or even better, that the whole thing is called off or we get a PV and remain wins? What’s the likelihood of that?

I just need a glimmer of hope right now...

{Who is blame? Greedy buy to let landlords and supermarkets who dominate the grocery market. Throw in crap and expensive public transport too.}
All of which are UK domestic policy, nothing to do with the EU.

Bad news on the supermarket front, UK food is significantly cheaper than in the EU, or at least was a few months back.

{Apprenticeships (well good ones, I've done one at work which was quite simply a joke) are a very good route for some young people but, they are quite new still and very limited in the jobs that they cover}

I was an apprentice 40 years ago. There have been apprentices for centuries it's nothing new.
A friend with 6 high scoring A levels spent the following summer holiday as a 'bin man' at a time when they had to actually lift bins.

I find it bizarre that OP is anxious enough about brexit to start this thread but also complacent enough not to bother writing her her MP... It's this kind of dopey thinking which lead to brexit happening at all.

If you don't want stupid shit happening in your country- get politically involved.

Vote, write to your MP, volunteer, sign petitions, lobby, talk to your friends, protest. Don't sit on the side lines and then whine when it doesn't go your way.

I knew that there were people out there who only vote for what benefits them, but never met anyone who'd admit to it

Which would be understandable a little if they were going to be benefitted, but it's a whole other ball game when they will hurt like the rest of us. Then it's non sensical.

Thanks for the replies everyone. It sounds crazy, but in a way I wish we could just fast-forward to March 29th, so at least we'd know exactly what we were dealing with, for better or worse. It's partly this waiting and not knowing what the hell is going to happen that is making me anxious.

If MPs are saying they categorically will not allow no deal to happen, does that mean if it gets to that stage, they will revoke Article 50 and we'll stay in? Because that's the only way they could stop it, other than accepting May's deal - which clearly isn't going to happen.

I just don't understand why, as a PP said, we have to leave in order to honour the result of the referendum. Why have politicians seemingly forgotten that the whole thing was only advisory anyway?

I wish Theresa May would just put a stop to all this - address the nation and admit that she's tried her hardest to fulfil what the majority of voters wanted, but that now we all know more, it's evident that leaving the EU would make life so much more uncertain and more difficult for so many.

As a result, she could say, she's concluded that she must do what's right for the country and keep us in the EU, even it makes her seriously unpopular with a lot of people. Then she could resign and jet off on holiday for six months for a well-earned rest. Wishful thinking I know!

All of which are UK domestic policy, nothing to do with the EU.

Yes so you keep saying. But many people don't realise it, or believed those who told them it was the fault of the EU.

Why can you not see the problems here? The media for years has portrayed a certain message, in some communities people do see an influx of immigrants which only serves to reinforce what they are seeing in the media. There was nothing being done to counter that argument. It served the government to let the EU take the blame for some of it's awful policies and now we see the result.

You think that all voters think like you, have had the same experiences of you, enjoy a similar lifestyle to you. They don't. And the refusal of many people to acknowledge and do something about it before now brings us to this point.

I have just written to my MP.
I am hopeful that he would not support No Deal.
But it depends what TM tells him to do I guess.
His career comes 1st..............

I was an apprentice 40 years ago. There have been apprentices for centuries it's nothing new.

See, that is how out of touch you are.

We aren't talking about the old style apprenticeships. We are talking about the new ones, some of which are degree apprenticeships. Traditionally apprenticeships taught you a trade. Now they cover things like insurance, banking, IT, accountancy, travel and tourism, retail and some talk of teaching.

A friend with 6 high scoring A levels spent the following summer holiday as a 'bin man' at a time when they had to actually lift bins.

6 A levels? And high scoring ones? Wow. That is truly unbelievable. What a genius they must be. Most only take 3 and at a huge push 4. But 6? Just wow. I am amazed.

Just to point out that we currently have the highest proportion of people in work since records began so it’s not a case of whether British people want to do the jobs currently performed by those from the EU but there will be anyone to do them!

Twenty years ago I went to meetings in Brussels in which U.K. diplomats were talking about their frustration at the portrayal of the EU in the British media. It was nothing new then. The right wing media, and politicians themselves, have blamed the EU for virtually every unpopular domestic policy for decades. Of course people buy it. Then add in austerity, disengagement, post-industrial decline and globalisation and it shouldn't be any surprise that the referendum was a sort of outraged howl in many places.

My in-laws, in a deprived area which has lost all its industry, genuinely believed that heavy industry would revive if we left the EU.

I find it bizarre that OP is anxious enough about brexit to start this thread but also complacent enough not to bother writing her her MP... It's this kind of dopey thinking which lead to brexit happening at all.

As if me writing one letter to my (frankly useless) MP is going to solve anything SilverBirch.

Let's see where all the letter writing, marching and "talking to my friends" (lol) gets us though shall we? Because I certainly haven't seen any evidence that it's made one iota of difference so far.

It's also very insulting (not to mention highly simplistic) to say that thinking like mine is what led to Brexit in the first place.

Just to point out that we currently have the highest proportion of people in work since records began
How many of those are zero hour contracts? So technically in work but not actually working.

Sergeant The people in work thing that the Tories spout is very misleading. Most of those jobs are crap (part-time, zero hours contract). People need good jobs not ones which put them into the ‘working poor’ category.

The fact that so many people are receiving in work benefits would surely point out that wages are far too low, no?
The govt is subsidising companies that pay low wages.
I thought the NMW was a good thing initially, however as DH pointed out its now the maximum wage in many, many places.

Sorry for the slight derail.

The unskilled jobs that will be opened by EU workers leaving will likely be similar (zero hours or seasonal) so you will be in the same situation.

I’m with you on needing good jobs but an economic downturn is likely to lead to less of those, not more.

I am not saying people should do those jobs. The EU claim to protect workers rights but tell that to someone on zero hours minimum wage.

Op, I think we will find out more on Monday when Teresa May tables plan b. It won't be the end game, but hopefully it will be clearer.

Right now politicians are tabling a motion to take control off the government to allow them legally to revoke article 50 if it looks like Teresa May will allow us to continue to hurtle towards no deal. If she does continue with it, she will likely have too many resignations for the government to continue and a general election will be required. At which stage it will require revoking as we can't exit in the midst of that.o

It looks like John Bercow is willing to lose his potential peerage to enable the motion to be passed to allow the back benchers to legally revoke article fifty if it comes to it, so it would appear it's an option.

I understand the government position that the eu needs to believe we would crash put to get further concessions, but I think it's come time when we need to blink now. It's too close.

The fact of the matter is, we are not physically able to get a new deal agreed and it passed into legislation by the 29 th. Time has ran out. We are still ratifying that we can travel on our expired eu passports after the 29th, or I think were last week when it had to go for the second court session. And of course it's not just us that has to pass it into legislation, it's every fucking country in thr world who needs to do the same to accept us.

{6 A levels? And high scoring ones? Wow. That is truly unbelievable. What a genius they must be. Most only take 3 and at a huge push 4. But 6? Just wow. I am amazed.}
Went on to be a doctor I think, and his 5 siblings also did well, from a mid to lower WC family, Mother from India.

All this talk of wages and 'benefits' is an indication of a significant problem. 'you' are EXPECTING things to be handed to you, rather than getting off your backside and making things happen.
If you are unemployed you go to the library (if there is one still) or on the internet and learn things. Do a shit job but then evening classes, just don't whinge about others not running after you.
The low skilled that come over to do fruit picking don't see this as a career, it is a means to get on with life and to do this they are prepared to do back breaking work and share accommodation in rubbish conditions. They are doing what they feel is necessary to get on.

{I am not saying people should do those jobs. The EU claim to protect workers rights but tell that to someone on zero hours minimum wage.}
Workers rights are more about safety and not about wages.
Back to the UK being sovereign again, the EU can't control every aspect.

I wish people would cease with the old trope that UK people = lazy, feckless etc and anyone else = hardworking.

Thanks @Bluntness100. What's the probability of that motion being passed do you think?

I read upthread someone using France's current tensions as an example of how other European countries are are not ok with being in the EU.
I can't find it now to quote from it. But I want to say that this is not true. The current tensions in France are not about being in the EU, they are in response to the current government's internal policies. Please don't confuse the issues.

Bowchicawowow the EU offers a minimum level of protection for workers.

Many EU countries ban zero hours contracts - we could if we want to.

My concern is that if we leave the EU and we lose the minimum protection we will be in a race to the bottom with unfettered capitalism running riot in the the U.K..

I could be wrong but it's a big risk.

{I wish people would cease with the old trope that UK people = lazy, feckless etc and anyone else = hardworking.}
Presuming that was aimed at me, I am merely pointing out that if your life is shit, it is up to you to do something about it, or stop complaining.
You are adding to the 'entitlement' idea.