Starting to feel really scared now...

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I’m feeling incredibly anxious about Brexit, today more than ever. I think it’s because of the new Question Time, where everyone was cheering that Isabelle Oakshotte woman when she advocated no deal.

I’m terrified my home is going to drop into negative equity and I won’t be able to keep up the mortgage payments, and that my business could go under. I know these fears are immaterial when compared with some other people’s, who worry they could lose access to life saving medicine.

Is there anything anyone can say to reassure me even just a little bit - that no deal might end up not being as bad as people are predicting; or even better, that the whole thing is called off or we get a PV and remain wins? What’s the likelihood of that?

I just need a glimmer of hope right now...

My MP is one of those wingnut backbencher that supports no deal. There is zero point writing to him. I feel powerless tbh.

Our parliament is behaving worse than a class of squabbling toddlers and with seemingly Less intelligence. A ferry company with no ferries. Raab saying he didn't realise how important Dover/Calais trade is. Dozens of companies inc pharmaceuticals with gagging orders so they're not allowed to say what a fiasco this whole situation is.

I know it's nitpicking but you're not talking about "Parliament" here but government. The non-existent ferries were contracted by Chris Grayling, the Tory government transport minister. Raab was Tory Brexit minister. Gagging orders were issued by ... wait for it ... a Tory government.

Parliament ain't perfect and there are a lot of idiots representing constituencies where the majority for one party is so large that it's possible to put up a donkey and get it elected. But if parliament can assert control then disaster can still be avoided.

Even if your Mp is a No Dealer idiot, write to him and make him commit to paper the words "it will all be fine". Link him to Graham Thomas' "WTO WTF" video on YouTube when you do it.

There can’t be no Brexit bellinisurge because the majority of people voted in favour of Brexit.

I wrote to my ERG MP about No Deal (amongst other points). He sent me an ERG article about why trading on WTO terms will be fine.

How do you argue with stupid?!

And that mans situation that the pp mentioned is entirely down to the government who have slashed council funding and funding for support agencies. It’s got sod all to do with the EU. No deal = recession= more austerity= more people falling through the cracks.

Ken Clarke says that anybody who thinks they can say with absolute certainty what the consequences of Brexit will be is wrong. That applies to both sides of the argument.

But if parliament can assert control then disaster can still be avoided

Agree, I've admired Teresa May for her tenacity, but even I'm getting worried now. We shall have to wait for Monday.

It really frustrates me all these folks saying leave with no deal. But when public transport isn't running, because they can't get the products to safely run it, and people can't get to work, when power plants shut down and they are sitting in the cold, when there are food shortages, when critical operations aren't going ahead because of lack of staff, when folks lose their jobs because factories have to shut because they can't operate, then they will sit and say "well parliament knew, why didn't they stop it".

And don't get me started on the smug idiot that is Boris Johnson. "We will be uncomfortable for a few months". Aye we will. But you wont be. Becayse you will be just fine won't you mr multi millionaire. It's not you that will suffer.

@Bowchicawowow , I know that. And so the only doable Brexit is a soft Brexit if the WA fails again (I hope it doesn't fail, not because I love it but because it respects the outcome of the referendum). If we don't get a soft Brexit and MPs cannot take steps to give us a hard No Deal Brexit (What with it being a disgusting treacherous disaster), then No Brexit is all that is left.

Sergeant The problem with your argument is that it doesn’t take into account people’s feelings in areas of deprivation who think that people moving into their areas from the EU puts pressure on resources there. This was always going to be an issue in times of great austerity but David Cameron was too stupid to see that.

Ken Clarke says that anybody who thinks they can say with absolute certainty what the consequences of Brexit will be is wrong. That applies to both sides of the argument

He is completely right, working it is preparing for the unknown. But you've misunderstood him. We know enough to know it will be catastrophic, it's the scale of just how catastrophic, and how long it will last no one knows. This is unknown territory and everyone is doing what they can. But no one knows what they don't know

@Bowchicawowow , which is why I said there are inevitable social and political consequences of No Brexit. I am not stupid enough to think that No Brexit =sunlit uplands either.
WA or soft Brexit is the only way out of this.
Followed by the option of No Brexit.
No Deal should simply not be an option.

I think a lot of posters have never actually engaged in negotiations. You can’t make demands on people and get what you want if the EU are folding their arms and saying no. The EU don’t want to make it easy for us because they know how unhappy the French people are with their Government (as well as a lot of other countries anti-EU movements gaining momentum). They aren’t going to give us another deal. I can’t understand why people in the UK can’t grasp that.

I don’t think I have misunderstood him Bluntness. I voted remain because I thought that if we were ever going to leave the EU now was the wrong time but I don’t get how people are so pro EU when it is massively right-wing and not the force for economic and social good people claim it is. The US shows us that governing federal states is hugely complex and often impossible. Small is beautiful sometimes.

I agree @Bowchicawowow . WA is the proverbial "it".

Small is beautiful sometimes

Sure. But how many decades do you think it will take us to get back to where we are today? Who is going to invest here? So we can get back to where we are today?

Right now, the hope of just getting back to where we are today is a long way off.

Let's see what Teresa May says on Monday, she might just be negotiating, but it's understandable people that people who have an inking of what the impacts will be are rightly worried about the course we are on.

They are feelings though, not reality. One of the first things the Tory’s did when they came in in 2015 was slash council budgets. It was all over the news and you can certainly see the effects of it where I live even in areas that aren’t deprived- libraries closing, parks falling apart or vandalised, streetlights left out for aeons, reduced bin collections.
If you want to ignore the news and blame the small number of migrants in your area then that’s your choice, but it suggests latent xenophobia tbh, rather than any real appetite to improve things. Easier to blame immigrants than tackle your own government.

You can’t make demands on people and get what you want if the EU are folding their arms and saying no. The EU don’t want to make it easy for us because they know how unhappy the French people are with their Government

Total falsehood.
The reality is we have gone into the negotiations with a series of redlines... no FOM/SM or any form of CU..... yet demanding frictionless trade, we then woke up to the NI border situation!

The EU is principally a trading bloc, designed to facilitate ...yep trade! once we leave, we cannot have access to the bloc or be part of its agreements and projects.

If we said we want to be in the SM or a CU, the EU would say fine and we would negotiate around that reality.

The UK alone has made a bad deal a certainty and of course May was v pleased with her deal back in december when she signed it off.

Sadly the EU didn’t protect us from slashed budgets. It’s hard when your local library is closing down to not look at the figures of how much we pay in compared to how much we get back and think something isn’t right.

Sorry bow, that was hypothetical rather than saying those are your views. I get tired of being told we should pander to peoples xenophobia though. We know where that leads and generally is not a path you want to go down!

I can't say much but I do know the reality of planning for No-Deal. The short answer is that the effects can be mitigated to some extent but it's likely that we will have a fairly long period of adjusting to a new reality of supply and movement, not having the plentiful cheap food we currently have access to. The big unknowns (which could make everything much worse) are exactly how the economy will react and how people will react - mass public disorder would be devastating.

It’s only hard because the media have told you it is. I personally find it harder when I hear about the government wasting huge amounts of money on pointless vanity projects (free schools, Lansley commissioning reforms etc). At the end of the day, blaming the EU is still falling into xenophobia whichever way you look at it. Stoked up by the right wing press.

I personally quite like the idea that we call off Brexit and spend £39bn on our public services. I think an awful lot of people who voted to Leave would find that this made their lives materially better than leaving will.

jasjas The reality is that we did 13% trade with the EU and commerce will try to find ways around the political situation. Of course there is no knowing if that will be successful but businesses will try to plug gaps and seize new opportunities. One example is the ports. There is so much worry about bottlenecks at Dover but bear in mind that Liverpool has been quietly preparing to be a credible alternative. They have invested in massive cranes from China and are trying to build a new road to the port for better access. The sucess or otherwise doesn’t stand or fall with the politicians. How business responds will be the real deciding factor imho.

The short answer is that the effects can be mitigated to some extent but it's likely that we will have a fairly long period of adjusting to a new reality of supply and movement

I'm in the same boat, but I think work in a different field, and I will echo what you say, we can mitigate to some extent for a very short period, but after that, our new reality will likely be very difficult for most of us.