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Westministenders: May dug a deep stinky hole and UK politics has tumbled in

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BigChocFrenzy · 16/01/2019 15:17

May almost certainly won't resign even after this huge defeat.

She's survived umpteen other humiliating defeats.
Her record strongly suggests she'll cling on to office with broken fingernails until Brexit (or Revoke) happens

After the ERG failed to topple her last month, she can legally stay as Tory party leader at least until December.
Besides, would any of her likely successors as Tory Party leader - Leadsome, Boris, JRM, Gove - be any better ... or bring even worse horrors ?

Corbyn has called a No Confidence vote
NC debate to be held at 7pm today.

He'll lose, because the DUP and the ERG - who voted down her WA - have genuine Confidence in her, of course 🤔

The Labour Party conference agreed their policy would be to get a GE, but failing that to go for a PV.
However, Corbyns latest statement is still against a PV
Will he finally give in, or try to out-stubborn May ?

The HoC doesn't want No Deal - but can't yet agree what they do want.
if they and / or May don't specifically choose something else, then No Deal is what automatically happens

May had told the cabinet she'd just keep pushing the WA, but it's now a dead parrot of a WA.

So she's "reaching out" to the other parties whom she's rudely rejected for the last 2.5 years
Maybe ongoing cross-party talks will ignore her and succeed on agreeing a new approach
BUT
The EU have said they will only renegotiate if the UK drops some of its red lines
Otherwise it's either this unchange WA or No Deal

Many analysts think this impasse means that May will have to ask the EU for an A50 extension.
She keeps saying she won't delay Brexit - but after she became PM she kept denying she'd hold a GE, right up until she announced it.

EU officials have hinted they would extend until the end of June.
However, an extension would have to be unanimously approved.
Would any of the 27 countries veto, in exasperation with the UK's ridiculous performance the last 2 years ?

I know on Westministenders we're all exasperated with it !

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SillySallySingsSongs · 17/01/2019 07:55

Oh come on! This woman has even lied to the Queen! She’s lied, prevaricated and manipulated all through her premiership - no-one can trust a word she says. She has only herself to blame that no-one believes a word she says any more.

Well done for massively missing the point.

Jeez you realise what Hamas and Hezzbollah have done?

You appear to be saying that their actions are ok but lying to the Queen is a step too far. Hmm

BiglyBadgers · 17/01/2019 07:56

Of course the Tories would never agree to discussions in public anyway. They would say that would mean showing the EU their negotiating position as if they actually had one. Plus than May wouldn't be able to lie about what was said and act like she was being in anyway reasonable.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 17/01/2019 07:57

Of course the Tories would never agree to discussions in public anyway.

Neither would Labour.

BiglyBadgers · 17/01/2019 07:59

Which is why I said "if I was in opposition"

BiglyBadgers · 17/01/2019 08:01

Jeez you realise what Hamas and Hezzbollah have done?

You appear to be saying that their actions are ok but lying to the Queen is a step too far. hmm

Sorry ..are you seriously suggesting we should have the same expectations for our prime minister as for a terrorist organisation? Personally I expect a rather better level of behaviour from the leader of the Government. Hmm

borntobequiet · 17/01/2019 08:02

Yeah we’re great fans of Hamas and Hezbollah on here, as well as Corbyn. All v. reasonable people.

To be serious - I think many expected better of Corbyn, cometh the hour, cometh the man type of thing. But it didn’t happen. My Corbynista colleague kept saying “It’s OK, he’s playing the long game”. He’s stopped saying that now.

Violetparis · 17/01/2019 08:03

I agree with Corbyn but think he has made a tactical error by not meeting with Theresa May. The focus is now on him instead of the government. If I was Corbyn I would put out a statement saying in light of the comments by Philip Hammond about no deal being off the table I will now meet with the prime minister to confirm the government position. Put the focus back on the them.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/01/2019 08:05

In the telegraph

Westministenders: May dug a deep stinky hole and UK politics has tumbled in
SillySallySingsSongs · 17/01/2019 08:07

Personally I expect a rather better level of behaviour from the leader of the Government.

Personally I expect the leader of her majesty opposition to stop being so pathetic.

Violetparis · 17/01/2019 08:07

wherearemychickens completely agree with you.

Mistigri · 17/01/2019 08:10

What have hamas and hezbollah got to do with Brexit? Fuck sake.

There aren't many Corbyn fans on here but, crucially, he's not negotiating Brexit.

Plus May is a woman who gave a billion quid bung to a political party with paramilitary (terrorist) links.

borntobequiet · 17/01/2019 08:12

Personally I expect the bickering on this thread to continue for some time.

RedToothBrush · 17/01/2019 08:18

They are all fuckwits.

Argument settled.

All I care about is that for once they put aside their egos and their party politics to make an agreement, any agreement, for the sake of the country.

The fact they seem incapable and unwilling to do this shows that the entire lot of them are not fit to represent us.

Somerville · 17/01/2019 08:20

Sorry, is talking to the IRA now a mortal sin? There's no hope for me then. They were like the police when I was a child...times I've talked to the IRA include when me and my cousin were running away from a nasty flasher. We couldn't talk to the RUC, they didn't come in my cousin's estate, or care what happened to us.
Seriously, the ignorance sometimes in England. It was talking to the IRA that brought about the GFA, y'know. Talking is good.

Mistigri · 17/01/2019 08:21

I think you'd find a fair number of serious MPs open to compromise now. Unfortunately most of them are not in any real position of influence.

Tbh I don't blame Corbyn for not opening talks with May: she needs to take her red lines off the table first (odd sort of "compromise" if you only expect other people to do the compromising). Corbyn needs better PR though.

BiglyBadgers · 17/01/2019 08:22

If I was Corbyn I would put out a statement saying in light of the comments by Philip Hammond about no deal being off the table I will now meet with the prime minister to confirm the government position. Put the focus back on the them

I like this. It holds a lot of snark in a small package. Shame Corbyn isn't that smart.

Mistigri · 17/01/2019 08:23

Sorry, is talking to the IRA now a mortal sin?

A billion quid bung to terrorist apologists is just fine and dandy though ;)

PerverseConverse · 17/01/2019 08:25

@Mistigri what million quid to what apologists? I've missed something obviously

BishBoshBashBop · 17/01/2019 08:26

Tbh I don't blame Corbyn for not opening talks with May: she needs to take her red lines off the table first

Well if it is negotiation and compromise what is he going to shift on. If he wants her to take her red lines off the table he needs to do the same. He can't expect it to be all one way.

Labour still aren't clear on their position.

Mistigri · 17/01/2019 08:26

Perverse: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DemocraticUnionistt_Party

borntobequiet · 17/01/2019 08:28

As in these sort of terrorist apologists.
(Other reliable sources are available)
www.independent.co.uk/voices/dup-conservatives-northern-ireland-coalition-ulster-defence-association-paramilitaries-peace-process-a7782631.html

borntobequiet · 17/01/2019 08:28

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Mistigri · 17/01/2019 08:30

Well if it is negotiation and compromise what is he going to shift on. If he wants her to take her red lines off the table he needs to do the same. He can't expect it to be all one way.

Absolutely. But if she wants a compromise, because she can't force her Brexit deal through Parliament, she has to give something first.

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