The deal has been rejected by Parliament

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What will happen now?

People keep saying to me she will win nonconfidecewith DUP backing but Corbyn will then somehow force a people's vote. How? I can't see a huge taste for that in parliament..not enough to gather any momentum by March.

Actually I agree with the pp (though am remain voter with EU family) that the underlying problem is the extreme gulf between the haves and have-nots in British society. It's why this scenario was inevitable and has been a long long time in the making. I don't know what our way back is now. The referendum should never have been called and let us never forget that that the Conservatives have had responsibility for the whole process throughout. Anything is better than continuing to let them screw up the country.

Given that we have a free educational system in the UK open to all, I don't see a real risk (apart from being hated by teachers, and I was) in asking that expectations and aspirations for all are set much higher than they are, Dangermouse. Unless a child is severely SN or disabled, surely basic passing grades should be within the reach of the vast majority. With those magic C grades in useful subjects, individuals have scope to make choices.

right now all (the PM's) doing is goading Corbyn into a vote of no confidence I mean why do that?

To make him look ineffectual? Not that he needs any help there ...

As for "what happens now", I suspect Article 50 will be extended and yet more nonsense will follow

Justthere- I also see your point and agree with you about the poverty and suffering of these areas for years. I can also totally understand many used this as a vote against the government and as a way to try and make the government listen to them after years of being forgotten about. I personally think that's why so many people voted leave, they thought they were making a stand against their situations and lack of support.

However, what I DONT understand is how those people thought voting Brexit was going to get them out of their situations, how they thought it was going to magically sort poverty and unemployment out? I think it was used as a way to make a stand against the government and how they were being forgotten rather than actually thinking leaving was going to make things better

People keep saying to me she will win nonconfidecewith DUP backing but Corbyn will then somehow force a people's vote

I don’t think he wants a People’s Vote though, does he?

XingMing you really come across as extremely prejudiced against working class people - why do you have such a low opinion of them ?

From Denmark 👋
You are soo much on TV.
General opinion on TV is EU has streched as far as possible with deal, without hurting EU businesses. If you get a better deal they fear it is more lucrative for businesses to move to uk and other countries will follow out of EU then. A deal like that won't happen.
They also say that politicians in EU cannot do anything, nobody quite understands what is going on with your domestic politics, but it is up to you.
There is apparently a general consensus that a no deal in the long run will be very damaging to your GNP and that it will impact your imployment negatively.
Hope this makes sense... And good luck, we find it hard to understand 😀

What was the November vote?

That there would not be a GE for at least a year. Does it make that bull shit?

Would you really want Jeremy Corbyn to run the country?

I think there will be an extension of the time limits to come to an agreement. but goodness knows how long it will take. There will not be another referendum we will leave the EU one way or another.

...or has caring responsibilities. Or lives in one of the many areas of high violence, or even within a DV situation themselves. Or lives within a community where conforming with a local anti-authority mindset is extremely conducive to being able to walk to school without being harassed. Or lives with no parental support: the basic ability to read is bolstered by parental input, the schools' input alone does not suffice. Or has parents that with all the good wishes in the world cannot provide any help or information to the child and the child is essentially alone in the world against a system designed to facilitate middle class high-fliers, with prior financial inputs required. You really don't have a clue do you.

That was to Xing btw.

I don't actually have any prejudices against WC people. They are most of my friends and acquaintances, but I don't think they totally understand their power to do better and aim higher.

As for "what happens now", I suspect Article 50 will be extended and yet more nonsense will follow Yes

Often, I think that they are frightened to stand out in case they are accused of aiming to be middle class (the shame).

No deal here we come.

The end game was always going to be traumatic. I am quite optimistic there is a way through it. The result tonight was the right one I think. They'll end up revoking. I know it's very much a minority view but I think it will happen. And I don't think anyone (who matters) is laughing at us either.

Thanks Iamdanish - I was wondering how the news was going down over on the continent. People must think we're nuts. I remember the news when Grexit nearly happened - never for a moment thought we'd be in the news for the same reason.

Its not easy to pull yourself up out of poverty or an attitude of low attainment and little in the way of role models - esp now where going to college let alone Uni leads to £1000s of debt, for little prospect of a job unless you move, which takes yet more money.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm actually quite proud of what's going on in Parliament at the moment. They're flexing their muscles - stonewalling the media, ignoring the whips, and getting on with business. It looks like chaos, but I think they'll come out with a good result.

I agree. It's a robust process.

Megan i agree on revocation, its a very likely prospect.

That there would not be a GE for at least a year. Does it make that bull shit?

@stopitandtidyupp You are confusing two things. The November vote of no confidence was about Tory party leadership. It was about whether Tory MPs wanted to trigger a leadership contest or not. She won the vote so according to Tory party rules she can't be challenged for another year.

The vote JC wants, that he will also lose is a no confidence in the government, which would trigger a GE.

Thank you for your post iamdanish, we don't understand either if it helps!!