Westminstenders: Plan B is Plan A again.

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The voting starts around 7pm and is expected to finish up between 8pm and 8.20pm.

May is expected to lose. The question is by how much.

We are then expecting an immediate motion of no confidence in the government by Labour to be put forward.

May is expected to make a speech to calm the markets and then go to Brussels for an utterly pointless visit.

The Labour No Confidence is expected tomorrow afternoon after PMQs. Its expected to fail.

We move no closer to a resolution and ever closer to no deal.

Half the Cabinet want to go into cross party talks. Half the Cabinet don't.

May is apparently insistent that Plan B is Plan A. Which is what you would expect her to tell the house to comply with Grieve IV. Which again is bollocks.

But Bercow could yet refuse to indulge it.

If Plan B is Plan A again, then what's Plan C?

Crisis with a Capital C.

The stalemate grows.

When will they get it into their heads that there is no 'going back to Brussels'?

May looked truly beaten when she first got to her feet after the vote. I know she’s awful, particularly wrt immigration, but I did have a twinge of empathy for her.

imo, May will apply for an A50 extension in February
She can't do in 3 months what she should have done in 2.5 years

May looked truly beaten when she first got to her feet after the vote. I know she’s awful, particularly wrt immigration, but I did have a twinge of empathy for her.

Nope.

Tusk has it
there are three options
two have now been ruled out
the third should proceed

No empathy for anyone behind the hostile environment. Agree she’ll go for an extension and the shit show will rumble on abit more.

I'm exhausted and stressed and I'm in Ireland (R) so I've no idea what is like for you lot. I'm so upset about the North I actually have tears in my eyes now. Ducking bastards.

I find it hard to have empathy for someone whose policies resulted in people not being able to access cancer treatment.

Agree re Tusk peace.

imo, May will apply for an A50 extension in February

I’m hoping for something even bigger. Revokes article 50 with a promise to rerun the referendum. Except this time it’s legally binding and the actual plan for Brexit is written down in black and white for all to see.

It will never happen but a woman can dream.

Dumb question #43
Corbyn has tabled a vote of no confidence
when does that take place?

Beth Rigby
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NEW: As May starts the process of trying to find another way through on Brexit, I’m told up to 100 Labour MPs will pivot to #secondreferendum tomorrow morning. Piling the pressure on Corbyn to make this his Plan B when his confidence vote fails

I did say empathy, not sympathy.

NO confidence vote is tomorrow, isn't it?

"I now think a PV is on the cards in a big way. If I was a betting person I would put money on it (though maybe not all that much)."

Agree with this

What will happen on Wednesday?
When the 2017 election was called, the debate was only 90 minutes long. However, the leader of the Commons, Andrea Leadsom, said the entire day of Wednesday until 7pm would be used, after prime minister’s questions is over at about 12.45pm. There will then be a vote.

From here: www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/15/theresa-may-landmark-brexit-defeat-what-happens-now-no-confidence

I checked i was registered to vote the other week, just in case.

Tomorrow at 7pm @Ta1kinPeace

Please no to a PV
huge chunks of the country think that "No Deal" is a good thing

Have I looked away accidentally and missed something? If Mr Tusk is saying that there is an obvious solution but I am thinking it could be either Revoke or crash out. It sounded like an open statement to me that as far as the EU is concerned they could go either way.

Oh Mrsr8, I bet you are fun after you have been drinking if you can manage this on cake alone (mildly jealous).

Boris Johnson claims government defeat gives May 'massive mandate' to renegotiate Brexit

Echoing the line taken by the DUP (see 8.44pm), Boris Johnson, the Brexiter former foreign secretary, told the BBC that the result of the vote gave Theresa May a “massive mandate” to go back to Brussels and renegotiate.

He insisted that no-deal was “not at all” off the table, saying:

We should not only be keeping the good bits of the deal, getting rid of the backstop, but we should also be actively preparing for no-deal with ever more enthusiasm.

And he claimed May’s leadership was not an issue. Asked if she was the right person to lead the party and the country, he said:

The Tory party had a go at all that, we all had a go at all that in December. That is not the issue. The issue is not who does it, the issue is what to do.

FFS I'm trying to get my weight under control
but these votes drive me to dry Martinis

Forgive my ignorance, but what would a PV ask now?

If the WA has been so comprehensively shot down, surely that can't be an option. And HoP seem strongly against no deal - which is arguably illegal anyway re the GFA, so surely that couldn't go on either. And putting any other option would just be pie in the sky again!