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Westminstenders: What The Hell Happens Next?!

996 replies

RedToothBrush · 09/01/2019 14:14

John Bercow has just spent over at an hour dealing with a Points of Order, in which he has argued that he is defending the soverignty of the House of Commons and that is his duty, not to simply to be a cheerleader for the executive.

Taking back control seems to have rather upset ERG Brexiteers.

As Jess Phillips astutely pointed out:
"People only care about procedures, and protecting and conserving the procedures, when they don't like the outcome of the thing that is about to happen and never when it is going in their favour."

And given what we have seen the Executive do over the last few months in terms of trying to use procedure for its own political gain, this is quite a fair point.

There are however certain constitutional questions this is all raising. And we have a very real constitutional crisis here.

Bercow has ruled that he CAN allow an amendment (because the previous vote had prevented only a motion and a debate) put forward by Grieve to go to a vote.

This amendment would - if it is passed by the house - require May to report to the house within 3 days if the WA fails to pass next week.

This would be a significant victory, if it passed because at present the position is where May can delay reporting back to the house until it start to get to the point where politically the opposition can't influence things, and a 'meaningful vote' will in practice be more like a gun to the head by the Executive, rather than the House of Commons acting in a sovereign manner and being free to make its own decisions rather than be forced into a corner by Parliamentary Procedure and the politicking of Parliamentary Procedure to undermine the independence of the HoC.

Allowing more time for the opposition to hold the government to account, does not necessarily change anything. It just means the executive can not just run down the clock in the way it perhaps has been intending.

The HoC could of course, vote against the amendment.

The WA is to come to the HoC next week.

And we have no idea what the hell is going to happen next.

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TatianaLarina · 11/01/2019 15:01

Oh and George if you campaigned for Remain - stick to your fucking guns.

Apileofballyhoo · 11/01/2019 15:05

bellinisurge Flowers

bellinisurge · 11/01/2019 15:08

TatianaLarina , there are no guns to stick to if you supported Remain. As I did. We lost the referendum. Damage limitation is all we have. Which is No Deal.

bellinisurge · 11/01/2019 15:08

Which is WA not No Deal.

SusanWalker · 11/01/2019 15:24

if he thinks that mob will be happy with the WA then he's not really paying attention. The mob wants no deal.

David Lammys speech in full. Just because.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=1XEj64IFzQ8

TatianaLarina · 11/01/2019 15:27

Or No Brexit, as Jeremy pointed out this morning Parliament will find a way to block No Deal.

If you want No Brexit then don’t vote for the WA.

springtimeyet · 11/01/2019 15:31

There is no point in voting for WA because of the mob. The mob isn't going to be happy with this. The mob actually isn't going to be happy with anything, because their lives are going to get worse not better when we Brexit.
I didn't want my politicians voting influenced by mobs. This can't be a good way to move forward.

springtimeyet · 11/01/2019 15:33

CNN have just sent me an update stating that Police in the UK have advised stores to hire extra protection in case of a no deal.
The US is taking more notice of Brexit at present.

Tonsilss · 11/01/2019 15:38

Some MPs are deciding to vote for WA because they think that the likely alternative is No Deal. It's a reasonable conclusion to come to, surely. Do you think they should risk everything by voting against the WA?

thecatfromjapan · 11/01/2019 15:46

I agree with Tatiana.

If you want No Brexit, vote against the WA.

That's what Jeremy Hunt says. And even Corbyn.

springtimeyet · 11/01/2019 15:50

I started off thinking I would vote for WA if I was an MP, but as time has gone by I have lost any confidence in this government or Labour ( with it's current leader) being able to pull of a soft Brexit. So I would vote against WA for no Brexit.

thecatfromjapan · 11/01/2019 15:52

And Caroline Lucas says don't vote for WA, too.

Honestly, now is the time to email your MPs.

The Leavers are doing it. Which tells you something.

Tonsilss · 11/01/2019 15:56

Beware people who want no deal and advise voting against the WA.

Tonsilss · 11/01/2019 15:58

I wrote to my MP a few days ago to urge him to go for Revoke, as a Tory remainer. But he has sold his soul for a job at Westminster and will do what TM tells him to.

DGRossetti · 11/01/2019 16:02

There is no point in voting for WA because of the mob. The mob isn't going to be happy with this. The mob actually isn't going to be happy with anything,

But, and it's been seen again and again.
Once you pay the dane-geld; you never can get rid of the Dane

Where's Richard II when you need him ?

Tonsilss · 11/01/2019 16:11

What are the Leavers asking their MPs to do? Vote for the WA? I think not.
Should we be doing what the Leavers are doing?
Is there any real chance of a Revoke?

thecatfromjapan · 11/01/2019 16:11

This is interesting - research concludes that, among Labour boters, opposition to the WA increases with political attention:

whatukthinks.org/eu/why-is-the-brexit-deal-so-unpopular/

thecatfromjapan · 11/01/2019 16:14

I believe a lot of MPs are reporting inboxes filled with emails from Leavers, urging them to vote for the WA.

A few hardcore nutters are lobbying Vonservative Associations not to vote for the WA (hence Hunt's statement).

I would honestly say send an email saying vote it down.

I think May is on the ropes now and will have to revoke.

thecatfromjapan · 11/01/2019 16:15

I know it's scary - it really is - but I think the government are out of options with regard to No DeAl.

They know it.

May would have to revoke.

BlueEyeshadow · 11/01/2019 16:18

I am writing to my MP (hint, he was mentioned above). I am contemplating turning it into an open letter.

springtimeyet · 11/01/2019 16:19

Do you think WA will get through? It is a way of leaving, so does give leavers the key thing they wanted.

DarlingNikita · 11/01/2019 16:21

I've emailed my MP like she cares to say that MPs like George F are simply giving in to mob justice and the kind of people who find it acceptable to harass Anna Soubry, Femi Oluwole and Kay Burley.

I've said that the alternative to the WA is NOT No Deal; it is a complete rethink on Brexit. And I asked for her assurance that she would not vote for May’s WA.

But it's Diane Corbynista Abbott, so I can't say I'm holding my breath.

1tisILeClerc · 11/01/2019 16:29

{They bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say, let em crash!}
From the film 'Airplane'.

Time for a beer and a look on youtube for it.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/01/2019 16:37

However MPs decide to vote, they shouldn't let the Brexiter thugs outside parliament change their minds.

btw, those thugs are of the hardcore Brexiters who want No Deal; they hate the WA
George may not have understood what they actually wanted, because they just scream threats and racist abuse

DGRossetti · 11/01/2019 16:38

I believe a lot of MPs are reporting inboxes filled with emails from Leavers, urging them to vote for the WA.

The irony being that Brexit has been defined by MPs ignoring their constituents .... both ways.