What the actual fuck is wrong with Corbyn?

[HarrisIsGoingOut]

He is less useful than a chocolate teapot anyway, but for a man who blusters on so much about "listening to the members" and "making policy based on the members" he's certainly got an odd way of showing it.

I just find it extraordinary that such a shambolic, self-interested and, frankly corrupt, government has been enabled to get away with it because the opposition is so extraordinarily ineffectual.

Maybe Corbyn is taking notes from Dominic Cummings’ playbook?

You could be right noble

Selling people a vague utopia that will answer their individual needs. Of course as soon as you actually write the plan down it clear to see it’s garbage

Article 50 which started the ticking clock we are all now so conscious of wouldn’t have been triggered if Corbyn hadn’t whipped his party into voting for it, despite the complete lack of a plan.

So Corbyn is also very much to blame here.

I regret voting for him in 2017 mainly because I hate to see my vote counted as a vote for Brexit

I’ve never voted for Labour before (Lib Dem). But if Labour adopted a Remain stance I would vote for them in a heartbeat. Even if Jeremy was leader.

I think Labour need to consider not just the votes they would lose from ardent Leave supporters but how many they would gain from currently none Labour voters.

While Corbyn isn't responsible for Brexit he is due his share of blame. He claims to have mass support. He claimed to be pro-Remain. He has and was neither. As proven by the fact that he barely uttered a squeak during the referendum campaign. Leave won . Which is what he wanted. He hopes to bring Labour triumph from the chaos he helped create. His version of Labour, I'm old. I have usually been a Labour voter. I've seen him and his type before. I've watched them run this playbook.
He's shit when we really need the Leader of the Opposition not to be shit. We should leave the EU like grown ups and, sadly, the WA is the only way to do that.

Article 50 which started the ticking clock we are all now so conscious of wouldn’t have been triggered if Corbyn hadn’t whipped his party into voting for it, despite the complete lack of a plan

May had a 30 seat majority when A50 was triggered, Labour voting against it wouldn't have stopped it.

But they didn't vote against it. Which is telling about Corbyn. I don't care if they had lost, they would have a moral leg to stand on now. They don't. Or rather Corbyn's Labour doesn't.

Look, i 'm not defending JC here at all but refuting the PP who said that if Labour hadn't supported A50 it wouldn't have gone through.

Being on the moral high ground wouldn't have made a jot of difference and Labour would have been portrayed as enemies of the people, traitors and collaborators :(

Corbyn isn't a dictator, his cabinet supported him in this strategy.

Labour could easily have tried to argue that we aren't ready to trigger it. It could even have created some bullshit tests to satisfy before triggering it.
It might have lost but at least it tried.

Ah the '6 tests'.
If you look at them practically the only way of achieving them would be to remain, but collectively the Labour party didn't have the balls to simply say 'remain'.
Put together with a believable set of financial predictions and a couple of items that would really address some of the UK's ills, such as the failure to invest in places outside London/South East and they could have been on to something.
But no.

Labour's stance (if you can call it that) is based on fear of losing Leave voters in a GE, while assuming it will retain Remain voters because they've got nowhere else to go. Whereas it seems to me the reverse could easily be true. Long term hard-core Labour voters in northern constituencies aren't all that likely to switch in my book. Whereas for me, even as a Labour voter, if May or her replacement was prepared to revoke A50 and Corbyn was still calling for Brexit, I'd have to think the unthinkable. And even if they didn't, I might just as well vote Lib Dem in a GE given the state of both the Tories and Labour, in the hope that we'd get a hung parliament where they'd hold the balance of power.

thecatfromjapan

This is a parenting forum where people chat about all sorts of crap.
It’s not taken seriously by the EU or anyone negotiating brexit.
What we say on here is meaningless.
Maybe you need to stop taking these threads so seriously.
I mean, complain about brexit if you want, but complaining on here is getting you precisely nowhere.

Fact.

So why do you bother turning up @surferjet if it's just mummies and daddies and carers chewing the fat over silly stuff?

{Maybe you need to stop taking these threads so seriously. }
There are many lurkers on MN who are very concerned about what Brexit will mean to them and to be 'responsible' it is right to debate and present discussion points and counter arguments. Wherever possible this should be done using verifiable facts, as far as any lay person can establish so that those who are concerned can reassure themselves, or take appropriate actions. Some of the possible outcomes of Brexit will terrify people but engaging in proper discussion should help to allay those fears.

Thanks for appearing Bellinisurge, I was tempted to reference your works as a point of 'reasoned thought' for those concerned with possible shortages.

I've never wanted to be more wrong about something in my life. I will happily come on here and say I was wrong if we crash out and it's all fine.
Loads of sensible advice on the Preppers topic. You don't have to be a Prepper to make a few preparations.

Rightyho surferjet

1tisILeClerc

So are you part of the official remain campaign? what makes you so qualified in all things brexit that you’re giving advice & recommendations to the public?
Why is your opinion - & that’s all it is - so much more important than anyone else’s?
All your ‘facts’ are taken from the guardian & every other ‘anti brexit’ rag, so you’re not a maverick saving the world.

Our political system is predicated on having a decent Opposition, able to hold the executive to account.

Corbyn (and Labour more generally) are utterly failing to do this in any way, shape or form, and democracy is the biggest loser

Surferjet
If it comes to it I couldn't give a shiny shit about you but it is unfair to subject years of misery on deserving UK and EU citizens just on the basis you can't be arsed to find out facts. I read all publications taking them with a pinch of salt. I tend to make my decisions on whether there are several different sources saying essentially the same thing and whether other life experiences suggest they are plausible.

And no, having originally voted to Remain, having seen the total mess that the UK has become I feel that it should leave, but in a way that is least damaging, which is by NEGOTIATING the path outlined in the WA.
The WA has an 'end point' of leaving but is open to steering the UK either alongside the EU or diverging further.

Watch out! Surferjet's shift has started.

bellinisurge

Twice now in just 2 days you have accused me of being a Russian troll.
Accusing someone of being a troll is against talk guild lines & can get you banned.
I’ll report any further accusations from you.

Guidelines even.

I'm so so so sorry @surferjet

Corbyn has a long history of voting against the EU, this is easily accessible on the internet and widely published by people like Private Eye.

Anyone who think Corbyn wants to remain in the EU is sadly mistaken.

But I agree with the OP, what the fuck is wrong with him and why won’t he stand aside and allow some proper opposition so we don’t car crash into Brexit.