What the actual fuck is wrong with Corbyn?

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He is less useful than a chocolate teapot anyway, but for a man who blusters on so much about "listening to the members" and "making policy based on the members" he's certainly got an odd way of showing it.

I just find it extraordinary that such a shambolic, self-interested and, frankly corrupt, government has been enabled to get away with it because the opposition is so extraordinarily ineffectual.

I thought Corbyn wanted Brexit because EU rules would prevent him from establishing a socialist utopia should he ever gain power.

I can't belive what Labour have done to themselves, it started with Ed the back stabber getting elected, I have voted Tory all my life, but I would have voted for David if Labour had elected him.
Labour let in DC... And yes I admit it lead to the vote...

He's a prize twat.

The idea that Corbyn is sincere and a breath of fresh innocence after Blair is bizarre.

The Corbyn inner circle don't have spokespeople that communicate with mainstream media.

Instead, they have closed WhatsApp groups, and Facebook groups, and those release the latest 'message' or 'spin' to trusted Twitter people and other social media. And it cascades out.

It is 'spin'. Pure and simple. And it is often nasty.

I am absolutely, utterly baffled by people who still see Corbyn as this saintly, simple, sincere, un-spin figure.

Do you really not see the spin? 😲😲😲

I agree with @thecatfromjapan that it is just a different kind of spin. The fact that you cannot question anything about Corbyn without thousands of people on Twitter descending on your mentions and calling you a Tory leads me to believe that they value ideology over and above both reality and effectiveness.

I personally loved J.K Rowling’s epic Twitter thread about just that from before Christmas. Don’t criticise St.Jeremy or the Momentum mob will be out to get you.

The anti-JK Rowling mob pretty much finished me off, to be honest.

Have you seen this twitter thread of 20 reasons why Corbyn might not win the next GE by a Corbyn supporter? Getting the excuses in early.

High on the list is Rachel Riley of Countdown. Nowhere on this list is ‘he’s shit’.

twitter.com/rozzleberry/status/1078263366198743040?s=21

I think I'm too scared to look, noble. ☹️

Oh, I've seen that. ☹️

Note the 'enemy within' a.k.a. the Labour 'Centrists', who are attacked with the vigour we would like to see displayed at PMQs.

Yes, Red Tories. FFS. Their own party members and popular MPs are a threat to Labour winning the next election.

Exactly. ☹️

It's horrible.

I read some of those accounts and it is genuinely disturbing. It has overlaps with the sort of gaslighting you get in abusive relationships.

Are you saying he shouldn't have stood for leadership of the Labour party? Or should now stand down? Or what? I'd appreciate less of the hyperbole and more plain language thank God I don't live my life on fecking Twitter .

'it started with Ed the back stabber getting elected, '

Oh. Dear. God. We're still on this, are we?! The Milliband family are not the monarchy. Ed Miliband may have many shortcomings but he had every right to stand against his own brother if it came to it

'I am absolutely, utterly baffled by people who still see Corbyn as this saintly, simple, sincere, un-spin figure.'

Completely agree, and that's from someone who was thrilled and full of hope when he first got elected

Cannot stand Corbyn and I say that as a person who loved Gordon Brown (not in a biblical sense).

bibbity People know he's not a good leader. Paul Mason was caught trying to organise his replacement (and is no longer inner circle), likewise Owen Jones admitted the same (and is still trying to claw his way back).

People know.

But they are still propping him up because they fear that if they lose him, they lose the one chance of a leftist government for a generation.

So they are resorting to a lot of spin to cover up the evident flaws in his capabilities.

And the current Brexit position has much to do with the power struggle around Corbyn right now (McDonnell is currently out, Milne is in,in,in).

That isn't healthy - and it is extremely worrying that the most pressing political issue of s generation, one that could unleash economic hardship far greater than austerity, is being handled incredibly badly by our Opposition because of an ability to reach out beyond a small (and paranoid) circle, with seemingly scant concern for the big picture (they have an election to win).

bibbity People know he's not a good leader. Paul Mason was caught trying to organise his replacement (and is no longer inner circle), likewise Owen Jones admitted the same (and is still trying to claw his way back).

People know.

But they are still propping him up because they fear that if they lose him, they lose the one chance of a leftist government for a generation.

So they are resorting to a lot of spin to cover up the evident flaws in his capabilities.

And the current Brexit position has much to do with the power struggle around Corbyn right now (McDonnell is currently out, Milne is in,in,in).

That isn't healthy - and it is extremely worrying that the most pressing political issue of s generation, one that could unleash economic hardship far greater than austerity, is being handled incredibly badly by our Opposition because of an ability to reach out beyond a small (and paranoid) circle, with seemingly scant concern for the big picture (they have an election to win).

bibbity People know he's not a good leader. Paul Mason was caught trying to organise his replacement (and is no longer inner circle), likewise Owen Jones admitted the same (and is still trying to claw his way back).

People know.

But they are still propping him up because they fear that if they lose him, they lose the one chance of a leftist government for a generation.

So they are resorting to a lot of spin to cover up the evident flaws in his capabilities.

And the current Brexit position has much to do with the power struggle around Corbyn right now (McDonnell is currently out, Milne is in,in,in).

That isn't healthy - and it is extremely worrying that the most pressing political issue of s generation, one that could unleash economic hardship far greater than austerity, is being handled incredibly badly by our Opposition because of an ability to reach out beyond a small (and paranoid) circle, with seemingly scant concern for the big picture (they have an election to win).

I don't think people are objecting to Corbyn being left wing. They're objecting to him being utterly useless at his job.

Yup. The Opposition are there to er, oppose the government on certain issues. Corbyn has whipped his MP's to abstain on things like Housing Benefit changes.

The irony of man who frequently discarded the Whip getting arsey about people doing exactly that.

He is partly to blame for the mess this country is in. He's not fit for purpose.

We need an Opposition and he ain't it.

I hate Corbin - he is incompetent and partly to blame for the state the country is in ...
If he had ANY brains he would have built an opposition and given the tory government a run for our their money.
But he can't even construct an decent argument ... Britain is the laughing stock of Europe for the foreseeable future and austerity will live on.

Sorry. No idea why it did that.

And I just want to say something to bibbity:

I'm sorry about how irate I sound. And I know that it must come across as really to vehement. And I addressed that reply to you - so it must feel like some internet person just splurging at you.

I'm genuinely sorry about that.

I meant to just reply, in a conversational way.

I didn't manage it. 💐 I honestly adore you, from many years on here.

... and I respect your opinion, Bibbity.

That thread is hilarious. I have noticed a lot of corbynites blame voters for voting the wrong way or not voting Labour and are quite rude about it. Surely the point of democratic elections is to create a party and a manifesto people want to vote for, within your party lines of course. It's like failing a job interview and phoning the company and pointing out their mistake in not hiring you rather than asking how you could do better next time.

He is totally out of his depth.

High on the list is Rachel Riley of Countdown. Nowhere on this list is ‘he’s shit’.

I'm waiting for Countdown to return and the Corbyn fan group thinking anything she does is a slight on dear leader.

I'm just saying a significant number of traditional Labour supporters voted Leave and I'm surprised people are surprised about that.

Tbh, politics has been such a whirlwind in the last few years I can barely remember the circumstances of Corbyn's election.