Westministenders: Its Really Not Getting Any Better Is It?

[RedToothBrush]

We are STILL on collision course for no deal.

Christmas is here, and whilst we might appreciate the respite from Brexit News, its really a luxury we can't afford.

The meaningful vote is scheduled for January.

Chaos is scheduled for shortly after.

I wish you all a happy and enjoyable Christmas.

Details of the approaches are so sensitive that ministers will only be allowed to study a paper setting them out inside No 10 before today’s meeting, according to one.

Oh for fuck's sake what's with all the secrecy?
What has the secrecy in the impact assessments achieved? Fuck all?

What did secrecy in our negotiating stance with the EU achieve? Fuck all?
What did trying to keep the Attorney General's advice secret achieve? Errr a contempt motion.

Does anyone in cabinet honestly think we don't know what a complete unpierced pig's ear they have made of all this?
Why more bloody secrecy?

The will of the people in 2016 is apparently sacrosanct democracy. Open government ? Oh no - that's not the way democracy works apparently.

Labour should be up in arms about this too.

PMK.

'a managed glidepath'. FFS.

I loathe them all.

lonely Most of the public don't realise how massively the govt have screwed up.

Not long ago I remember reading another thread on here where a Leader was saying No Deal would be fine because we had brilliant people in govt who have laid plans to avoid any serious problems 😳

Any bad effects will of course be blamed on the EU, perhaps with a small side dish of Remoaner saboteurs

All we can be sure of:
This govt is not going to announce "sorry, we screwed up"

Leader Leaver (although daft enough to be one of their leaders !)

I’m so angry this morning. How dare they pursue a path which will fuck up the lives of everyone not insulated by wealth.

The Tories are no longer acting as the ‘Conservative’ party. What are they conserving with this approach? I will never forget this utter betrayal of the people when they know full well what ‘no deal’ means for the average person.

Most of the public don't realise how massively the govt have screwed up.

So that's one reason for the secrecy? They think we don't know? Another is somehow TM thinks that gives her an advantage with the EU? It so clearly doesn't.

I suppose another slightly more justifiable reason for secrecy is keeping things from the ERG ??? But the sympathetic cabinet ministers would tell them anyway.

I just think it's mostly her personality and modus operandi. I don't think the secrecy is for strategic reasons. I think personality wise she is disinclined to make anything public. Partly because she knows some of it won't withstand scrutiny and she wants to plough on unchallenged.

Thanks Red

So angry.
It's pretty clear. The country has a choice to align with the US or the EU. No deal prep stepping up because Trump won't wait around for the UK to get out of the customs arrangement with the EU as laid out in the WA so they're putting max pressure on right now.

Its a game in order to get her deal through, a billion pounds in no deal prepping? thats peanuts and divided across uk ports and airports is worthless... if i google "uk border force jobs etc" i get no extra jobs at all.

The government can blame who it likes but inflation and job losses will be blamed at the tories door, if there are wider issues... holiday worries, stock and currency crashes, food/med shortages, then the cons (apt name) are finished and tbf so are Labour... they've supported Brexit through thick an thin.

The Tories completely out foxed him in his no confidence in PM motion and have made him look even more stupid.

If anyone had any doubts May that is a hard core Brexitier, i hope they can now see her true colours.

Most of the public don't realise how massively the govt have screwed up.

Don't they? Yesterday I was reading the thread about someone wondering whether to buy a house just now because of Brexit. The Consensus on the posts I saw was only if they planned to stay for a good number of years to ride out any house price falls and negative equity, and whether their jobs were secure. This didn't sound like a ringing endorsement of Brexit - it sounded as though people did know there is trouble brewing.

Crikey you lot are keen, can't I have a decent night's sleep?
3 pages in already.
Thanks RTB.

So what's going on with JRM and the ERG? They seem to be backing May now? Do they know something we don't that May is now heading for a hard Brexit or has she offered them places in her cabinet if they pass her deal? Seems some strange things are going on.

They’re apparently coming round now to backing the WA, it was reported last night.

They can see that if the Tories lose that vote they will either face a No Confidence or No Deal vote and they don’t want to lose their jobs or their Brexit.

ERG have always intended that May should negotiate this WA and one of their own will take over from her and steer the country to doom.

jas May is a hardcore TORY and a xenophobe (except for Amereicans)

She is really pushing her WA, but as Revoke means putting the country before party, I doubt if she'll do that

If anyone had any doubts May that is a hard core Brexitier, i hope they can now see her true colours

Yep.

If she wanted No Deal, she'd just have kept the clock running down on negotiations

I don't necessarily think she wants one but is she bloody minded enough to deliver one? She's also doing damage to business and the economy by not ruling one out. Although, remember one of their plans that was leaked to get the deal through was to crash the economy?

More Brexiter lies from the Unionists
More Irexit delusions - Irish support to Remain is around 90% !

but of course some DUPes will blindly believe all crap from their side

Lord John Kilclooney**@KilclooneyJohn - Unionist liar
EU is preparing to charge UK citizens £7 every time they want to visit the Republic of Ireland after BREXIT.
This is bad news for the Southern Irish Tourist industry but will increase support for Eirexit
....
Tony Connelly Retweeted Steve Peers@StevePeers

A completely false statement.

1 The EU travel authorisation law will not apply to Ireland

2 It's €7 per three years, not^ per trip^

3 Support for Irish EU membership above 90%

Beyond embarrassing

Fear not people. Defra have no deal preparations well in hand. They are to get £400 million for a new IT system for food and fish exports.

I guess the logic of this must be that although there is no chance of getting an IT system designed, programmed, tested and launched in 3 months this is fine as the system is for exports. And we won't be needing to export food and fish in three months anyway.

It is just SO BAD, isn't it? This has gone way worse than I had imagined it would (and that was bad).

I want to metaphorically take them by the scruff of their necks and give them a lecture on what this is doing to us, our children's futures, out place in the world, our mental health, our bloody livelihoods and futures.

Maybe a lot of things do need a shake-up but not thanks to a bunch of incompetent ideologically-driven rich bastards who are out to make as much off the back of our collective miseries and humiliations as they can.

and other Brexiters must of course remember the wars:

Lord Digby Jones**@Digbylj

So the EU are going to charge Brits €7 to travel to Member States after Brexit.
Just a thought.......did any of them want to charge my Great-uncle Thomas in 1917 or my wife’s Dad or uncle in 1944?
...
Steve Peerss@StevePeers*

1 EU travel authorisation law is similar to that of USA, Canada and others
2 Applies the same to all non-EU countries with a visa waiver and without free movement of people
3 UK chose to be one of those countries^
4 Grow up

I don’t think she wants No Deal, she wants her deal. And I hope she would revoke if it came to it. But she’s quite happy to play brinkmanship with the entire country at stake just to get her Deal through.

Her WA is as hard as possible given the exigencies of the NI border. Her planned FTA without frictionless trade is pretty hard and it’s open for a hard Brexiter to take it where they want to go.

No-one would countenance all this stepping up of No Deal preps etc even as just as part of a game, especially as part of a game, who really had the integrity to grasp that No Deal should not be on the table, ever.

{So what's going on with JRM and the ERG? They seem to be backing May now?}
I am wondering if this is (was) a time sensitive thing. They had hoped to get the UK out with a no deal for maximum disaster capitalist effect (boost to them) but now the UK is gradually waking up to how catastrophic a 'no deal' really is so time to try something else. After all 'no deal' sounds as innocuous as 'no change' (remain).

And I hope she would revoke if it came to it.*

*But she might not.

I love the wording of this:

The Department of International Trade is getting £130 million 'in case new trade deals are urgently needed'.

Are these pledges for no deal deliberately things that will not be spent within the 3 months left but are designed to create the illusion of being serious about no deal or are the government really this stupid?

I honestly do not know any more.

Just a little video to share with your family Leave members at Christmas time.Mean I know.

www.facebook.com/kim.parker.39904/videos/2610641205643210/