Leave voters? What's your alternative plan for the country if TM's Withdrawal Agreement doesn't get through?

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A small majority of people who voted in the referendum voted Leave. I presume they still want to Leave. How do we do that if the Withdrawal Agreement fails and Parliament has voted through an amendment which allows it to stop No Deal.
Talk me through it ...

Only one side broke the law.

Sorry Jasjas, Weetabixandshreddies and the others want OUT and it doesn't matter what the cost is or how many might die.

Who do you think would have been the best PM for Brexit negotiation period?

I don't know. I'm not even sure if the prime minister is the key. I would have liked to have had a cross party committee set up to do this but I honestly believe you can't have anyone fundamentally opposed to the process in charge of leading it.

Only one side broke the law.

Then why weren't they prosecuted and why was the result acted on?

If it was such an inevitable disaster and illegally run why on earth did any government trigger article 50 on the back of it? It makes no sense.

Sorry Jasjas, Weetabixandshreddies and the others want OUT and it doesn't matter what the cost is or how many might die

Yeah but they are idiots, the moderate leavers i know reckon this would be a good idea and would draw a line under it.

"Why weren't We The People consulted on PQRS aspect of the EU in the past? Outrageous therefore Brexit so We The People can be Heard!!!"

"OK, so what is your view on XYZ of Brexit going forward?"

"No idea, it's somebody else's problem, the lovely delicate brains of The People mustn't be bothered with grubby boring details and if the Sunlit Uplands are looking a bit cloudy it's everybody else's fault but ours!"

{Then why weren't they prosecuted and why was the result acted on?}
Because the government have been doing all it can to cover stuff up and delay.
NDAs to stop all and sundry reporting what has been discussed, secret meetings such as Liam Fox in the USA for trade.
Delays in checking out Russian funding of the Leave campaigns.
The cover ups are so effective that even Dominic Raab didn't know that nearly half of the UK's fresh food arrives via Calais/Dover, and that they are actually quite close.

"It makes no sense"

That's one statement we can all agree on.

Vote Leave has been fined £61,000 for breaking electoral law.

However, legal,channels are difficult to enforce (get this) because it was only an advisory referendum. Parliament has to investigate and it has better things to do at the moment.

If the referendum had been enforceable then it would have been easier to prosecute Vote Leave.

{"It makes no sense"}
Not quite true, there are several scenarios where various things make sense but their conclusions are a bit hard to comprehend unless you were considering a 'banana republic' or a novel.
There are elements that are well outside this being a bunch of 'posh boys making dosh' although they are probably part of it.
The ERG and friends will have been cashing in on the volatility of the markets and with the influences and possibly slightly (or very) underhand means are either pushing the news or are very close to it. Mrs May's speech in Salzburg caused a significant drop in the pound. The likely outcome and timing was known by cabinet members and no doubt financial dealers were on standby to pop bids in and out at the right time. Why were some multimillionaires so unhappy yesterday saying they were upset because Leave wasn't in the bag yet? There are massive 'bets' on the Pound tanking. Trump and especially Putin want the UK to go down as it is seen as a way to break up the EU.

If we had to leave with a deal as an alternative to no deal, my offering would be that we create a trading deal based on our very early membership of economic partnership without 'ever closer' political union or participation in a federal state. After all, if you think about it, when people voted in the 1970s that was the membership they actually voted for.

I completely understand the arguments for political harmonisation from the economic standpoint. In effect, it prevents competition between member states and ensures that each 'state' gets a competitive edge in something. However, I completely disagree with political union for many reasons and so I think that both sides need to be very creative on free trade without it. The EU do NOT want this because federalisation is the ultimate goal. That's why there will be no deal that benefits both sides.

The French and Belgian authorities have established that Russian twitter feeds were associated with the rioting at the weekend.

leclerc
Love the fact it's actually played by Andy Serkis!

(Talking about the Gollum vid upthread)

Russia is also responsible for the above post made by me. Putin made me do it. None of it is my own opinion. I do not have one. I am a Russian bot, that cannot think for myself. There are no leavers, only Russians on laptops.

The cover ups are so effective that even Dominic Raab didn't know that nearly half of the UK's fresh food arrives via Calais/Dover, and that they are actually quite close.

I don't think this is because of cover ups; I think it's because he's a bit stupid. He then imparted his new found knowledge to his audience, who were probably sitting there thinking 'No shit, Sherlock!'

Peregrina, I presume you realise that bit was jest! It is getting late and delirium is setting in.

Yes, it is getting late. I'v been out and can't keep up. I haven't even got round to watching Masterchef yet!

without 'ever closer' political union or participation in a federal state

@missesbiggens
Your just making this shit up now.

The original Treaty of Rome text is "ever closer union of the peoples of Europe"

totally different slant than your "statement" and thats the problem, people believe crap and then keep repeating it, without bothering to check if it is true or not!!
the EU just isn't this all encompassing superstate you seem to fear!

I thought Cameron or even someone before him had got an opt out of ever closer union? So it wasn't going to happen, we never lost sovereignty either, but Leavers voted to take a gamble on the future based on half truths and lies. And are now annoyed with Remainers and not the con men like Farage, Johnson and Gove who are the real culprits.

"If we had to leave with a deal as an alternative to no deal, my offering would be that we create a trading deal based on our very early membership of economic partnership without 'ever closer' political union or participation in a federal state. After all, if you think about it, when people voted in the 1970s that was the membership they actually voted for. " says @missesbiggens .
This entirely misses the point that we can't get to that without a Withdrawal Agreement. This is not a valid alternative to the WA @missesbiggens because it is about the post WA trade deal. We need a transition period to get it. We don't get a transition period without a WA. Nice try.
Do keep up.

The thread asked what I would suggest if there was to be an alternative to no deal and I shared my view. You don't agree and that is fine; I don't agree with you either. But I'm not 'making this shit up' and I am keeping up and answering the challenge as I was invited to do earlier. Be respectful of differing opinions please, it's the least you can do on a 1000 post debate.

British politicians, for various reasons good and bad, have signed away sovereignty of our country over the past 4/5 decades. British people have every right to be in disagreement with this. Bloody hell, wars have been fought over exactly this for centuries. Your right to think that's okay is no more superior than my right to think it is not. Reversal to economic relationship only is the ONLY way to leave the EU without damaging the economy, thanks to the above mentioned politicians.

Not post 1000 yet. We don't get to negotiate any kind of ideal @missesbiggens deal without a withdrawal agreement. I asked for alternatives to TM WA deal apart from no deal. Didn't get one.