Leave voters? What's your alternative plan for the country if TM's Withdrawal Agreement doesn't get through?

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A small majority of people who voted in the referendum voted Leave. I presume they still want to Leave. How do we do that if the Withdrawal Agreement fails and Parliament has voted through an amendment which allows it to stop No Deal.
Talk me through it ...

LeClerc, I know the "trouble" with No Deal - great floods, plagues, and the likes. I know the "trouble" with the others too. I would still vote No Deal.

No deal has been demonised. That endless fear about the future is having the opposite effect.

I was pleased to hear May put that hysteria into context. Yesterday, she correctly contextualised No deal as "short term" economic costs. With everything, there will be a period of adjustment. It will not be without pain but no other option is without some downsides. It's the longer term that matters.

For now, unless I hear something very different from the same ole same ole, I am now with leave and I want no deal. Most of all, I want Brexit to be over and done with.

Missesbiggens, I must agree with you. It is glately obvious that to be part of the EU you must take on their rules. Otherwise what is the point of the Union? The very idea of the Union is to have unity by conformity. Conformity to certain rules. You can't opt in and out of the rules. You may be able to have some variations within reasons but national laws must be harmonised with EU laws and EU law has supremacy. Fact! The EU Court of Justice, for instance, has the final say.

I May's deal, the EU wants to have a unilateral say on the matters regarding the backstop. Not mutual decision but unilateral. Who in the right mind would stand for this nonsense? Certainly not Parliament. Parliament is being effectively relegated to having no say. Total erasure of UK's sovereignty. Unacceptable!

No deal is the only option.

Glately = glaringly

Short term.
So Jacob Rees Mogg who would be seemingly happy with No Deal, when admitting to 50 years before we see any benefits, why did he say that?

And why anyone would believe Theresa “U-Turn, In Contempt of Parliament” May is beyond me.

I’m not sure how you can say it’s “correctly” short term either given that you aren’t psychic.

Brexit won’t be over and done with. 48% of the electorate (or more now according to polls and including deaths and coming of ages) want to be in the EU. It’s naive to think that once we’re out, we’ll stay out.

It's ridiculous to say you would rather have any deal than no deal.

Weight, which Remainers have put barriers up and which barriers are they?

It's ridiculous to say you would rather have any deal than no deal.

Why?

No Deal would be a national catastrophe. Not a "project fear" one . An actual one.
Best case scenario our food supply chains have a little hiccup. Which means empty shelves. This country cannot cope with empty shelves. There would be mayhem.
That is absolutely the best case scenario. It would be totally irresponsible to crash out with no deal. Are you mad?

Because what if "any deal" was much worse than no deal?

Surely you have to weigh up any deal against no deal?

Some like Blair went over to the EU and constantly sought ways to undermine the UK's position, hoping to force another referendum.

Are we in a time warp here? Blair has been out of office for more than 10 years. I didn't notice Davis doing much work when he was in charge of negotiations - maybe because that's still in the future .

In short, you are scraping the barrel. You won, get over it, May's deal is the one on the table .

That is absolutely the best case scenario.

According to?

According to everyone who isn't a ERG er. Find me a Tory who is up for no Deal that isn't an ERG-er. Even Gove is against it.

Because what if "any deal" was much worse than no deal?

Well that depends on your perspective. Clearly for a No Deal Leaver, any deal is worse than no deal. For others, it’s likely that No Deal is their least preferred option and therefore any other deal would be preferable.

Again, Remainers are kidding themselves expecting that the young will carry them over the line. Not all the young are in favour of remaining.

The other big change will be from those from the Commonwealth who have finally realised how the EU has damaged their interests and just how much the EU doesn't look like or represent them. At the top, all white middle-age men.

I’ll assume you’re unable to back up your assertion about Remainers putting barriers up then, Weights.

The other big change will be from those from the Commonwealth

One big change might be from UK Commonwealth citizens from India and Pakistan who believed promises by Priti Patel that there would be more visas available for their relatives and voted Leave on this basis. So far May has said no, so Patel has let them down.

Still no one got an alternative to TM WA that isn't No Deal. Speaks volumes about Leavers' idea of acting in the national interest.

One big change might be from UK Commonwealth citizens from India and Pakistan who believed promises by Priti Patel that there would be more visas available for their relatives

So we afforded them the freedom to come and live and work here and they repay us by severing our freedoms to live and work in the EU. I’m going to hope they’re in the minority.

{Some like Blair went over to the EU and constantly sought ways to undermine the UK's position, hoping to force another referendum.}
Yes Blair did go to the EU to talk a few months back although I have no idea what came of it.
I think it was his 'I want to get involved again' moment which seems to have gone away.

relegated to having no say over what Weights? Be specific for once.

Why do you care so very much about replacing shared agreed basic sensible food, environmental, agriculture and workers 'rights that you are prepared to trash or economy for it.

It is entirely possible to accept that the Leave vote won and to carry on campaigning to remain. That is democracy. Democracy is having a voice. That’s why when we have a GE, we don’t have the whole country suddenly becoming Tories. It’s why we have an opposition. It’s why we vote regularly. Why is that so hard to understand?

The reality is that half of “the people” did not want to leave the EU. Why don’t leavers accept that?

Oh well, 948 posts in and no suggested alternative to TM WA that isn't No Deal.

{The reality is that half of “the people” did not want to leave the EU. Why don’t leavers accept that?}
Because too many of them are simply nasty, mean spirited and more than a touch racist.

The reality is that half of “the people” did not want to leave the EU. Why don’t leavers accept that?

I accept that people don't want to leave.

What I don't accept is their attempt to frustrate the process, to keep demanding another referendum because they don't like the result.

Yes we have a GE every 5 years but we can't join or leave the EU every year can we? It was made quite clear that this was a once in a lifetime opportunity. Everyone had the chance to vote. This was the result.