Leave voters? What's your alternative plan for the country if TM's Withdrawal Agreement doesn't get through?

[bellinisurge]

A small majority of people who voted in the referendum voted Leave. I presume they still want to Leave. How do we do that if the Withdrawal Agreement fails and Parliament has voted through an amendment which allows it to stop No Deal.
Talk me through it ...

No@Weetabixandshreddies , I am not an MP. I'm just an ordinary Remain voter along with other Remain voters on these threads who is blamed for every single thing that Leave supporters don't like.
I've written to my MP and said, do what is necessary to avoid No Deal. At this point, that's all I care about. He can listen to me and people like me or he can listen to the majority in his constituency that appear to want No Deal. Up to him.
At this stage, I am so keen to avoid No Deal I would vote for Jeremy Corbyn led Labour in any snap General Election if they came out with a "We will never allow no Deal". And I think Corbyn is a nasty little twat.

bellinisurge I fully agree with you it’s a right mess, I just don’t understand what Parliament is up to, what good would a general election or change of PM do, why does JC think he can get a better deal when the E.U. he said that in their opinion it’s the best deal available,

@Hesta54
Leavers May have taken the train out of the station, but they have no control of its destination

I quite like this, who in their right mind would do this?

That's the beauty of it all. Every vote is equal. I'm for no deal. If it comes to a vote, I'm sure I'll not be the only one who would vote that way. Let the majority decide. May's deal or no deal. Put it to a referendum. Just options on the nature of the Brexit. I'm fairly sure no deal would win.

Yes, Remainers have never accepted that the majority won the vote. The majority voted to leave. At every twist and turn they did whatever they could to frustrate Brexit in the hopes of another referendum to over turn the results. Now they want people to believe that it was the leave side that sought to undermine the bargaining position of the UK.

Well the EU has shown the UK it cannot leave if it is left to the EU to negotiate a leaving deal. So just leave.

I have benefited from free movement and think it is the right way to go but this affront to democracy and the behaviour of the EU is too much to bear. I now hope my country leaves one day. I'm pro-EU but not in its current form or attitude.

It's up to the MPs to decide on a deal. Only now they same too caught up in point scoring and leadership wrangles to actually sort out Brexit
No, the vote was pulled. Only one person pulled the vote and that was TM.

The beauty of our sovereign decision making parliament is that it has the say on such matters.

If the EU were actually in charge, as some deluded paranoid people think, then they would have imposed a solution.

But they can’t.

Because the EU doesn’t control the UK.

bellinisurge What good with a vote of no confidence achieve?

Jc cannot get a better deal. There is no better deal apart from staying in. So if we leave we leave on TMs Withdrawal Agreement. Leaving on No Deal cannot and should not be an option.
If TM gets some weasel words, it might be enough.
We'll see.

@Hesta54 , I don't want a vote of no confidence. I just want it over with.
I want our MPs to put on their big girl/boy pants and vote it through.

Jason118 Because many people wanted to take the train out of the station, but untill Parliament gave the leave voters a chance to drive the train, it’s now be taken of them and Parliament are now all fighting to drive the train

The train to where though?

Just 'away'? That's mad.

My next door neighbour is a tram driver. You need to know what the hell you are doing if you want to drive a train.

Train not tram

All these silly questions and silly analogy. Democracy and the right to exercise your vote however you please cannot be reduced to these ridiculous analogies.the majority voted to leave. Too bad those who ordain themselves as oh so clever can't be clever enough to understand democracy.

Many have fought and died to afford the simpleton to the genius that equal and inalienable right. Equal in the eye of democracy. But the "I know better than you" remain brigade wish to tell others how they should vote and then castigate people for not doing what the clever clogs demand that they do.

I think what's been an eye opener on this thread for me is the extent to which people don't understand how legally subjugated the UK has become by the EU. EU directives or often voted against by the UK government but we still become legally obliged to put them into UK law. The EU parliament is not there to 'deliver checks and balances' on the EC. That makes no sense.

The UK contributes about 10% of the total EU budget, out of 28 countries. Using 'per capita' arguments or comparing our contribution with two of the smallest countries is just more smoke and mirrors to draw attention away from the stark facts and get people arguing about the wrong thing. It's a common 'loser' tactic.

And also, the UK did contribute to the Greek bailout (EFSM) and although our government tried to refuse, it was bullied into it through legal mechanisms. That's not my idea of sovereignty.

There is also a very poor understanding of the free movement laws, the obligation to pay benefits to non-workers within the treaties and other immigration related beliefs on this thread. Namely, there cannot be discrimination between a polish worker and a UK worker, or a Polish benefit scrounger and a UK benefit scrounger.

So wish to remain all you like, but there's some real ignorance and outright lies on this thread about our relationship with the EU.

Weightsandmeasures
The problem with 'no deal' is that it is economic suicide and due to that, literal 'murder' of poor and elderly as they get rapidly poorer.
I want the UK to leave because it is now toxic and the EU has better things to do. I moved to the EU for personal reasons but the 'bastards of Westminster' are using my family and me and all other 1 million UK citizens in the EU, and 3 Million EU in the UK as pawns and we didn't even get the vote.
If I was vindictive, I would say crash out and let people die, but I am not and as a result want the WA to be agreed s that a transition period can start. The WA is NOT the final deal at all, and by negotiation the outcome can vary from virtually not leaving at all, to total isolationism for the UK with respect to the EU.
Your attitude of wanting to crash out is disgusting.

Not my analogy @Weightsandmeasures . I know analogies are triggering for Leave supporters so I avoid them.
I'm delighted your eyes have been opened @missesbiggens but you still haven't answered the question I put in my op which is , what's the alternative to TM Deal.
I'm not interested in why Leave is a great idea. I have said many many many many times that I accept the result and just want a leave that isn't No Deal.
TM's WA will avoid No Deal. Leavers seem in high dudgeon about it but haven't offered anything else.
So if you have something else, bows your chance.

@Weightsandmeasures
It was @Hesta54 analogy. It just tickled my pickle

@missesbiggens - EU directives or often voted against by the UK government but we still become legally obliged to put them into UK law.

You're obviously more knowledgeable than I am so I was just wondering if you could give any actual examples of directives the UK voted against which have been forced on us?

@missesbiggens , while you are at it, please tell us your alternative to No Deal which is what this thread is about.

It matters not whose analogy it was. Everywhere you turn people are giving analogies. Yesterday some guy called LBC and gave an egg analogy. It was so ridiculous and confusing.

The situation does not need analogies. Just respect for democracy.

*Missesbiggens
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Let’s look at each paragraph what you said at 17.06 from a factual perspective..

I think what's been an eye opener on this thread for me is the extent to which people don't understand how legally subjugated the UK will have to be in the future to:

1.	the rules of the WTO  and 
2.	the very poor standards set by other countries for example the USA weaker  food regulation.

By contrast were involved in EU legislation as driving force, drafting many of the key treaties ourselves. The British government has voted against EU laws 2% of the time since 1999. Official EU voting records show that the British government has voted ‘No’ to laws passed at EU level on 56 occasions, abstained 70 times, and voted ‘Yes’ 2,466 times since 1999.

With the very few items we disagreed with we obtained exemptions. The matters affected where we consent to coordinate regulations only affect limited areas ( mainly food , agriculture, environment and some workers rights.)

The UK contributed 0.7% of GDP to the total EU budge.Using £350 million arguments is just more smoke and mirrors to draw attention away from the stark facts and get people arguing about the wrong thing. It's a common 'cheater' tactic.

The UK would not have paid anything for future eurozone bailouts. This was already been agreed by all EU leaders. The 2015 UK-EU deal from February, which would have applied if we had voted to stay in the EU, expressly stated that the UK would be reimbursed if any such expenditure were made.

We and had complete control over 99.3% of expenditure and made all our own laws over health, pensions, individual taxation, local government, defence, policing,crime, punishment, education, fiscal policy, property, inheritance, marriage, planning, succession, estates, company law.That's not my idea of loss of sovereignty.Indeed the Withdrawal Bill white paper expressly admitted we retained complete sovereignty throughout.

There is also a very poor understanding of the free movement laws, the low amount of benefits paid non-workers and other immigration related beliefs on this thread. In particular the net contribution EU Migrants is £ 2,300 more to the exchequer each year in net terms than the average UK born adult.

Agreed there cannot be discrimination between a polish worker and a UK worker, or a Polish benefit scrounger and a UK benefit scrounger. Except there are hardly any Polish or other EU ones.

So wish to Leave all you like, but there's some real ignorance and outright lies from Leavers on this thread about our relationship with the EU.

I've said that I am respecting democracy. I accept a TM WA as opposed to No Deal. I will not accept No Deal. It's just that leavers won't accept TM WA so I created this thread to ask for alternatives. Answer came there none.

Ps analogies really trigger leavers, don't they?

Missesbridgens Love the way the Eu has subjugated the uk Why the emotive language designed to inflame passions? The other day I heard a prominent brexiteer talk about how Northern Ireland would be ‘annexed’ by the Eu if we accepted the WA - totally acceptable and disingenuous...
If you really understood how the Eu functions you would recognise the way that said directives and laws are discussed and discussed again through the various tiers of the Eu before anything is forced on us

@missesbiggens as an example, evil red tape snagging Data Protection is a is British thing to aid businesses. We had it long before the EU. Just sayin'