Leave voters? What's your alternative plan for the country if TM's Withdrawal Agreement doesn't get through?

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A small majority of people who voted in the referendum voted Leave. I presume they still want to Leave. How do we do that if the Withdrawal Agreement fails and Parliament has voted through an amendment which allows it to stop No Deal.
Talk me through it ...

Leavers May have taken the train out of the station, but they have no control of its destination, it’s been taken over and driven by politicians who can’t agree on anything, they all now have a different agenda, ( no Brexit, GE, new PM, etc ) There is no overall majority for any one particular thing in the HOC, of course that’s the leave voters fault, not Parliaments

that’s the leave voters fault

Any and all of them could lobby their MPs to express what kind of leave they want.

MissMalice And do you really think they take a blind bit of notice ?
I find it amazing that people think that their Mp is going to change his mind because you asked him, they have got the same number asking why aren’t you getting on with it.
TM keeps saying no 2 nd ref , I can understand that, I would imagine NS, would soon be on saying you had one so we can have another one,

MissMalice You can tell your Mp , but individual MPs have as much power to obtain your desired way to leave as the leave voters have, it’s out of our hands now, the only say we get now is if there is another vote or next time there is a general election

{I find it amazing that people think that their Mp is going to change his mind because you asked him, they have got the same number asking why aren’t you getting on with it.}

That is a defeatist attitude. You need to be protesting on your MPs doorstep to demand your view is taken into account. Alternatively you could sit at home and whinge about it.

1tisILeClerc Same result

Every vote is equal, thank God. If the vote of those who appoint themselves as "we know best" counted more, then Lord help us. Thank God for democracy. Every vote is equal.

And do you really think they take a blind bit of notice ?
Yes, when they wake up to the fact that their seats might be at risk.

Peregrina It depends on their parties view, their own view, the majority view in there constituencies, when you have over 15,000 maj I don’t think they listen to hard, but if it makes you feel good, carry on.

It's only indefinite if there is no solution found to the NI/Ireland border.

No it's indefinite until the EU allow us to leave the back stop

{Every vote is equal.}

I voted remain, why am I being ignored and having my livelihood taken away?

@Weetabixandshreddies what did you mean by "When the EU allow us to leave the backstop"?

And we will leave the backstop if we find a solution to the NI border issue. That's the only reason the backstop is there.

But in 2018 when we all agree it is a complete mess it surely becomes much harder to justify a Leave stance. How can anyone continue to support something they acknowledge is a mess?

Because this is just showing the EU in its true colours.

It is holding us to ransom. They want to make it as difficult as possible to leave. That is a good enough reason for us to go.

Why would we want to stay and get further embroiled? To make it impossible to ever leave?

I hope other countries in the EU see what is happening and also decide to leave.

Hesta, those majorities will evaporate like steam from a kettle. The strength of feeling on this issue cannot be underestimated. The main parties are going to suffer like never before. See how David Cameron won a commanding majority only for that to evaporate under May. She knows if she called another election that Conservatives would die a death. Labour too would suffer heavy defeats. The beneficiaries will be whatever party echoes the anger and frustration of the many. These parties tend to be on the far right. Look across Europe. Why do you think the far right is on the rise?

The politicians from the main parties are destroying our future. If they continue with their arrogance and not listen to the majority, the will usher in an era that we will all regret. We will be plunged back in times we thought we would never see again.

Agreed Weetabix, the EU is effectively saying "you can never leave". In what world will that win over Leavers? Far from it. It will only increase the pool Leavers.

{No it's indefinite until the EU allow us to leave the back stop}
Stop being so melodramatic. It is not about the EU 'letting' the UK leave it it is to ensure that the shitty bastards of Westminster don't put a physical border across NI, rather necessary because there are some who don't give a damn about the Belfast Agreement.
The 'Backstop' should never be needed if the UK government keep to it's word and not erect a border. It is not perfect for the EU either as it acknowledges that smuggling WILL go on across the 'non' border but the loss in revenue is not deemed to be significant in terms of the potential killings.

And we will leave the backstop if we find a solution to the NI border issue. That's the only reason the backstop is there.

No. It will be the EU deciding when, and if, we can leave the backstop.

And people saying that who is representing the remainers, what about them - you were in the minority. Had the result been the opposite would you have allowed leavers to have a say, to be represented, to have another referendum? No. You would have just expected leavers to put up with it because the majority said remain.

Well, the majority said leave.

1tisILeClerc Because we live in a democracy, I didn’t vote cons at last election, it’s as much about respecting democracy now, that’s why parliament should be fully on the leave page and it’s just about how and when we leave now, after all they did vote to give the public the vote, they could have stopped it years ago

I disagree. If we solve NI border within the transition period, no backstop. If we deploy the backstop then solve the border subsequently, end of backstop.

but if it makes you feel good, carry on.

Nicola Blackwood managed to squander a 9500 majority into a loss by 816 votes because she couldn't be bothered with her constituents, and yes it did make me feel good and has encouraged us to carry on.

Amber Rudd now has a majority of 45, which won't make her very happy come the next election.

I presume you are talking about a British democratic vote that was part bought by Russian money? Spurred on by liars who haven't even had the decency to put £350 Million a week into the NHS despite the fact it is sat at the treasury. How is Universal credit going where you are, any problems?
About the upgraded trains and buses in the north of the UK, are they proceeding well?
The UK gov HAS the money but is selling you short because it doesn't give a damn unless it is in London or the South East.
THESE are the issues that need sorting out not arguing the toss about leaving.

Leavers have their two options on the table. The withdrawal Agreement -that seems not to be good enough for them. Alternatively their lovely crash out which is not good enough for them either but is being planned for. So Leavers have two routes

^this a million times

Yet it’s still the fault of remainers that it’s all going wrong when, in fact, the EU isn’t holding the UK to ransom, the EU isn’t some sort of beast out to get us etc etc. It’s paranoid politics of the lowest order.

No. It will be the EU deciding when, and if, we can leave the backstop

Do you think remainers are driving this issue....

Or maybe those who actually understand and appreciate the NI issue instead of reducing it to silly sound bites.

Yet it’s still the fault of remainers that it’s all going wrong

That's what Remainers are allowed to exist for - to be blamed. Apart from that, Remainers are chopped liver, because only Leavers are The People.