Leave voters? What's your alternative plan for the country if TM's Withdrawal Agreement doesn't get through?

[bellinisurge]

A small majority of people who voted in the referendum voted Leave. I presume they still want to Leave. How do we do that if the Withdrawal Agreement fails and Parliament has voted through an amendment which allows it to stop No Deal.
Talk me through it ...

Remainers have put barriers and weakened the UK's bargaining position, making it look divided. The EU has taken full advantage of that disunity. Some like Blair went over to the EU and constantly sought ways to undermine the UK's position, hoping to force another referendum. The EU wants to make it as painful as possible so that the UK reverses it's decision.

The silent majority is looking on. Speak to them. Listen to them and you will see just how deluded the Remainers are in thinking Leavers will change their minds. Leavers see this current situation as yet more evidence of the EU and Remainers trying to force a reversal.

Leavers are not "the people" but leave won the vote. Respect that. Respect democracy.

Remainers have made the country look divided?!Are you kidding me?! If there is such unity among Leave why haven't we agreed a Withdrawal Agreement that everyone can get behind?

Sweetie, I am a Remain voter that is prepared to accept TM's deal in the national interest. Is that not the kind of "coming on side " you like?

Had the result been the opposite would you have allowed leavers to have a say, to be represented, to have another referendum?

I raised this previously - Nigel Farage said himself that if Leave lost narrowly he would indeed campaign for another say, which is what I would expect and I would genuinely support his right to do so. We live in a democracy. That means he gets to say what he wants. That means Remainers get to say what they want. This idea of “You lost, shut up” is not democracy at all.

It is not the EUs job to support us to leave. We certainly aren’t making any effort to make sure that our decision to leave won’t negatively impact citizens of the EU. Why should the EU make sure we are okay? We voted to leave - it’s our job to look after our interests and the EUs job is to look after their citizens and the integrity of their union.

As for people being listened to - I’m not really sure where all this “silent Leavers” has come from but I’ll tell you who really are silenced (but won’t be for much longer) and that’s the younger generations. It would not remotely surprise me if they, in the not too distant future, voted to rejoin the EU (on worse terms than we currently have) and I genuinely hope that should they win, that their stance is more mature than “you lost, get over it”.

Remainers have put barriers and weakened the UK's bargaining position, making it look divided

Nonsense. Absolutely nonsense and you know deep down it’s not true.

Easy to blame than accept that actually the leavers haven’t got a clue.

Remainers have put barriers

Which Remainers and which barriers?

bellinisurge But that ls not the leave voters fault, that I’d down solely to Parliament and particularly the government for implementing A50 without a agreed plan within the party or with parliament, now nobody will agree on anything and TM now seems to be playing a game of chicken, leave it close enough to the leave date, where it will be her deal or no deal

Weightsandmeasures
You are taking your pathetic excuses too far now. The EU is a rules based organisation. With so many involved it has to be. Thus there are rules to join and rules to leave. By joining in the first place you automatically accept the rules to leave.
If you just want 'out' you can literally walk out, although as some programmes run in 5 or so year cycles you are obliged to complete the cycle for which you get the benefits. (£19 Billion to the end of March 2019).
The UK doesn't just want 'out' it wants cake as well and is struggling with the concept that it can't have cake. UK politicians are lying to you saying you can have cake, NO YOU CAN'T. It is not the EU 'stopping' the UK leaving, it is that the UK is trying to nick the silverware on the way out, for which the EU is rightly saying no it can't.
If you can get this into your skull then things might go a bit easier.

Leavers are not "the people"
If you listen to any HOC debate, you’ll see that they are indeed “the people”. The fact that a huge minority voted to remain counts for nothing. Remainers are not “the people” otherwise the narrative would be that “the people” are divided almost 50/50 on what to do for the best.

@Hesta54 , if it's her Deal or no Deal, I'll take her Deal. I've said that countless times on here on various Brexit threads. And yet all I hear from Leavers is whinging about NI, whinging about "this isn't what we voted for " , whinging about Remoaners and whinging generally.

Believeitornot how are you on about when you talk about leavers ? You do know that the leave voters have no power to set governments direction or to carry out negotiations

You do know that the leave voters have no power to set governments direction or to carry out negotiations

Er, so remind me who the leavers were in the Cabinet 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 and what positions they held 🙄🤔🤔🤔🤔

bellinisurge In any form of negotiations, you keep trying to get the best deal possible, I wonder how different it would have been if remainers had accepted the democratic vote instead of whining and moaning and show the E.U. that the U.K. was together in respecting the result

Leavers are not "the people"

Mustn't forget the existence of Remainers when it comes to having someone to blame, so in that sense Leavers are not the only people.

But at the same time Remainers should be chopped liver and STFU (unless they've Seen The Light Of Brexity-Democracy and are now saying suitably pro-Brexit things whilst self-flagellating about having been so unenlightened previously, then they should be allowed to vocalise).

This, in effect, would mean that the only views to be vocalised in Democratic-Brexitannia would be the views of Leavers, aka the Will Of The People.

Ergo, Remainers then become sort of Schrödinger's NotPeople

{You do know that the leave voters have no power to set governments direction or to carry out negotiations}

So what was the point of voting in the first place then?

But @Hesta54 why should I (and 48%) get behind something I didn't vote for.
This is a mess because....it's really hard.

I’m on about the GP, do we actually know which way members of Parliament voted ?

bellinisurge I’m sure you haven’t voted for every government in the general election

bellini I too would take TM's Deal over a No Deal crash-out

Doesn't mean I actually support the Deal, because I think it is a poor cousin to our existing deal as members of the EU.

No I haven't voted for every government. What with this being a democracy, I am allowed to challenge if a view other than mine prevails. It is not against the law.
I've already explained that I am prepared to agree to TM Deal in the National interest, even if I didn't vote for Leave. I will never support No Deal.
Simples.

[high five to @TheElementsSong ]

On the basis that no deal is catastrophic and remaining is probably not now in the EU's best interests, the WA is the 'best' deal.
You have to remember that it is NOT the finished deal at all. It is a 'holding pattern' to prevent civilisation in the UK collapsing completely. It is deliberately written to make it difficult for the UK, but not impossible but it will require some grown ups to actually engage and negotiate. There is no cake, but a bit of nice bread with a hint of jam could be possible.
From the WA holding pattern the final 'deal' can be either fully in or fully out of the EU with the only real proviso that the UK border in NI is never turned into a physical border.

I've already explained that I am prepared to agree to TM Deal in the National interest, even if I didn't vote for Leave. I will never support No Deal.
Simples.
Are you an MP then able to accept or reject a deal? Unless you are, so what if you will accept anything? We can't affect that.

It's up to the MPs to decide on a deal. Only now they same too caught up in point scoring and leadership wrangles to actually sort out Brexit

It's up to the MPs to decide on a deal. Only now they same too caught up in point scoring and leadership wrangles to actually sort out Brexit

MPs cannot decide on a deal when there is no vote.