Second Referendum

[Neweternal]

Ok I don't understand I knew it was a risk leaving and it may initially make us poorer but for many reasons thinking 20 years on I felt it is the right thing for the country to leave the EU.

Second referendum if it transpires I will vote the same way. Yes Brexit is hard but you don't give up something because it's difficult. I have a chum who has shifted from remain to Brexit which surprised me.

What happens when and if the second referendum is again leave? To remainers accept we KNEW it wasn't going to be easy but we want sovereignty and not tied to the EU.

There was a bit of arrogance prior to the referendum with IN almost thinking they had it in the bag, same thing now!

T o r I e s Keith's auto correcting

In the 'olden days' people worked 14 hours down the pits! And that is relevant now why?

Comparing poverty now to the past is totally irrelevant and slightly ludicrous.

Poverty is relative. You in your house, with your investments and your shares are rich, people on UC are poor.

You are prepared to be worse of to benefit your political (and incorrect) beliefs and are prepared to sell others down the river. Shameful.

Boris had his chance and he preferred to go and play cricket. Some leader.

@TwinkleToes101

a ballot with only May yes or no, would bring us no further fwd if No had it! and of course Mays deal would have been rejected by the HoC.

The people rejected remain by 1,2m but what about the 16m who voted remain or that some of the 17m have changed their minds? a swing of 650k and remain would have won!!

The whole point of a PV is see what the UK public now want, giving them ALL the available options.

Fwiw I don't believe in 3 questions because that would disadvantage Leave, splitting their voice! equally, Remain should be a question too.

@Moussemoose I'm capital rich that's all. Don't work as much these days. Technically I could claim tax credits and universal credit under transitional arrangements. So all relative I suppose!

@Moussemoose You can have capital under tax credits you just declare the interest as earnings.

Yes, you are just the sort of person who needs UC. With your 400k house.

Neweternal
If Boris became leader I believe a group of Tories (20-40?) would resign. If he then went on and succeeded to gain a majority on a ticket of renegotiate then WTO if we don't get what we want, well the country would have to suck it up. I personally believe that would not happen - there is no majority for that strategy in the country.

jasjas
I'm confused. What would be on your ideal PV ballot?

My 'agenda' is to try to ensure all my family and friends can enjoy FoM to travel and work. I am to do this without taking away from friends I haven't met yet.

So someone who is capital rich and chooses not to work feels able to pontificate about poor people and suffering short term poverty for long term political gain.

Personally, I feel sorry for the people who are actually poor or who need medication. People who are actually going to suffer genuine need because you don't want Turkey to join the EU. Ffs.

@1tisILeClerc My Aunt travel and worked round Europe long before we joined the EU. Besides if you become a PHD, Dr or your skill is required you can work pretty much where you want. Ensure your child gets either a decent degree or skill, then the worlds their oyster!

@Moussemoose Exactly how are the poor life's going to be enriched by more cheap labour? I don't understand I really don't!

@TwinkleToes101

sorry, have i had that much to drink? :)

Remain V Leave on no-deal

With the stark realities of both decisions laid out, Norway, Canada Mays deal just weren't on the 2016 ballot paper.

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Neweternal
Having worked briefly in Africa, Australia, China, Malaysia, Russia, South America a couple of the gulf states, Israel, Norway, Sweden and many places in Europe maybe my view of 'friends' and people I have empathy for is a bit more advanced than yours.

Have you followed the argument at all? EU immigration is a net benefit to the U.K.. EU immigrants pay more tax and enrich the economy.

How is a temporary fruit picking job going to benefit someone who is disabled or a single parent?

@Moussemoose This propaganda again!!! 🙄

Unlike Leave voters "propaganda", this propaganda is based on actual numbers

I'm not sure what last post is about... even UK agriculture isn't THAT dependent on EU labour. What are accommodation services, does that mean cleaners?

.... gosh, in raw numbers manufacturing, catering, social care & vehicle services the vulnerable sectors.

@Moussemoose

How is a temporary fruit picking job going to benefit someone who is disabled or a single parent?

No idea, you asked me about how we were going to get these"essential workers" in. I gave a solution.

@Moussemoose Besides can we not get prisoner out to do such tasks, they do work in the USA, even call centre work!

Hmm, yes, propaganda?

You provided a article from The Sun I countered with one from Oxfordeconomics. The article you quoted from was not about EU immigration as a whole but from specific countries. The article you quoted didn't prove the point you were making.

It's not propaganda when it is verifiable fact. You don't agree with it, you don't like it but it does not mean I am wrong.

The thing with facts is that they are true even if you don't believe them.

Any lurkers please note on a day when prominent leavers suggest we starve the Irish the other Brexit policy is getting prisoners to work. Chain gangs anyone?

Any solution to the UK border @Neweternal ? That's the one in NI. Made by the UK.

Besides can we not get prisoner out to do such tasks, they do work in the USA, even call centre work

Thats slavery.