Second Referendum

[Neweternal]

Ok I don't understand I knew it was a risk leaving and it may initially make us poorer but for many reasons thinking 20 years on I felt it is the right thing for the country to leave the EU.

Second referendum if it transpires I will vote the same way. Yes Brexit is hard but you don't give up something because it's difficult. I have a chum who has shifted from remain to Brexit which surprised me.

What happens when and if the second referendum is again leave? To remainers accept we KNEW it wasn't going to be easy but we want sovereignty and not tied to the EU.

There was a bit of arrogance prior to the referendum with IN almost thinking they had it in the bag, same thing now!

@yeoldetrout

I resisted recounting my own personal experience of conversations with leave voters in my home area.

I didn’t want it to come across like I’m tarring all leave voters with the same brush.

But what the hey...

Every single conversation I’ve had with a leave voter in my home town centred around immigration (even though the town is 99% white British). The feedback I got ranged from hatred of Germans, to someone who visited East London and “thought they were in Pakistan”.

Where I come from is not a nice place. Hence my escape at 17 years of age.

I have the misfortune to have to visit a leave voting area regularly.

The issue is racism. Pure and simple.

There may be many Brexit voters who have well thought out, well reasoned arguments but I haven't met them in real life and no one has come up with 3 good reasons on a MN thread.

Brexit voters get offended when this is pointed out it is, however, the truth I have encountered.

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Those who supported Brexit, don’t want to be goats but in your honest opinion, what do you think will happen with the United Kingdom? If Scotland et al want to remain and we leave the EU what does that mean? Would you support them becoming independent of the UK so that they can choose to remain in the EU?

be goady*

Scotland staying in the EU is not going to happen this time round. They agreed to vote as the UK. They voted leave because UK voted leave. After we leave if they go through the whole ref again and want to rejoin if indy wins then that wld be up to them.

Scotland voted to stay, even though the UK voted to leave!

So wouldn’t that push people in Scotland to become independent of the UK because they would want to have their own say re remaining or leaving the EU? What about Northern Ireland and Wales? Would they too ask for a referendum to become independent so they too can choose to remain in the EU? Surely it’s not fair on them to be lumped with a decision that they had no say over? Wouldn’t this lead to the breakup of the UK? Just wondering about the bigger picture and whether the leavers worry about the existential threat to the UK itself. Just wanted some kind of reassurance really

I suspect many Leavers would be perfectly happy to say goodbye to N Ireland, but much less so to Scotland.

I'm in Scotland I dislike the SNP, but did vote for independence. I also voted leave. Given the choice I would rather Brexit than Scottish independence. What's interesting out of all the YES voters I know only 2 voted remain. Most are risk takers who voted both independence and for Brexit. These were the most educated of my friends solicitors, phds etc..They types who voted both independence but remain tended to be teachers. Anyway independence in remain do not go hand in hand contrary to what the SNP likes to spin!

I voted leave. I would now vote remain.

And that's why I'd support a second referundum, as many people have changed their minds after the full reality became clear and the latest nogotiations.

No one thought we would actually get a leave result the first time round.

@WildThoughts89 I've got a friend who would now vote leave and she initially voted remain. You must have know it would be challenging I certainly did, but felt long term worth it!

Did your friend like the March in London on Sunday. So many thousands upon thousands of people turning out for Leave .... no wait... two men and a dog.

It was a EDL/UKIP march - as a leaver I’m as likely to go to that as a I would a remain march.

Glad to see you are putting UKIP:EDL in the same box. Where they should be.

So many thousands upon thousands of people turning out for Leave .... no wait... two men and a dog.

And that dog was lied to!

@bellinisurge no way would I attend at EDF March. I don't even put any leave stuff on Facebook as it traumatises the snow flakes and they'll think I'm a troll. So I just vote with the ballot box. If they were to scrap leaving I would join a march. It would make Paris riots look like a tea party!

"If they were to scrap leaving I would join a march. It would make Paris riots look like a tea party"
Public disorder threats. Have fun in prison.

Leaving means trading on WTO terms. This has been shown to be complicated , time consuming( years to organise one deal ) and risky....each Country we trade with will need a tailored deal where they expect something in return including migration. There is a strong chance the terms may be much worse than those we have with Europe as a big group of countries has more bargaining leverage that a small one that has just burnt it's bridges.

We are facing rapidly approaching climate catastrophe. I believe we've much more chance of making policy changes to avert this if we work collectively on a large scale ie. Europe than rely on the likes of May or Corbyn to make it happen. Now is not the time for a small minded, isolationist approach, we all share the same planet and need cooperation to move forward, using the frameworks which are already in place.