Is it me or is no Brexit looking a whole lot more likely tonight?

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If no deal is pretty much off the table following the parliamentary votes tonight then the choice is ‘shit deal’ or no Brexit.

It’s clear which Remainers would prefer but what about Leavers?

I genuinely don't see what's anti-democratic about another referendum.

Do we keep voting on a GE over and over until we get the government the minority want?

We had a GE post referendum, the Liberal democrat party were the remain ticket, they didn't do well.

Labour may be no better but they didn't call the referendum and aren't in Government. The whole sh*tshow is for the Tories to sort out, although Labour ought to try to remember that they are the Opposition and start to do what it says on the tin!

Oh please, oh please! 🤞🙏

Labour may be no better but they didn't call the referendum and aren't in Government

No but they are pushing for a snap GE, so what is their plan? How will they handle it? All they are doing is using soundbites which are meaningless.

So another vote (neatly 3 years after the last one) to make sure the deal is what the people actually want now that the implications are much clearer has got to be a sensible way out of the impasse.

I don't think it will be a way out if the impasse though tbh. Whichever 'side' wins the second time round do you really think the 'losers' will roll over and say well ok then? Of course they won't.

Can You provide evidence that I didn't research and agonise over My vote please to support your assumptions

Yeah - you believe that hard and soft Brexit, Norway and Canada were ‘created since the referendum’ which is false. Those have always existed as options which you would have known if you had done your research.

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Somewhat disingenuous to say that if people were really committed to Remain they should have voted LibDem in the GE. They are not and never have been a party of government.

If we had had a passionate, articulate Remainer leading the Labour party it would have been a landslide.

The historical fact is that we have had politicians who have been anti Europe since we went in during the 1970s. It’s always been around and brought down the Major Government. Farage tapped into it. Blair and co had no truck with it. One of their better decisions!

So a minority of MPs plus Farage with one MP persuaded the country, with the help of a biased press, to vote leave by whipping up a storm of rhetoric. It’s disastrous and divisive. It’s manipulating sensitivies for their short term personal gain. It sucks in every way possible.

Democracy is defined as one person, one vote. People are free to vote for whom they wish in a free vote. It has nothing to do with how often you vote for anything. So another referendum is as valid as the first one if the criteria have changed. And they have. It’s also a life changing decision that the younger voters have not participated in. However, it’s their future and their taxes that will be paying for this. Also they might need to review their career options!

{And I can think of 39 billion reasons why I object to tax payers' money being used to screw the UK economy.}
The £39 Billion is covering the ongoing commitment to the UK.
If the UK leaves with no deal promptly on 29 March 2019 then this 'bill' would be around £20 Billion, the other £19 Billion covers the ongoing commitments until the end of 2020.
If you rent a property for which you pay an ongoing maintenance fee which is legally binding for say the next 5 years as a rolling contract, if you walk out you are still obliged to pay for the next 5 year's worth.

“Brexit must be delivered”

Why must it? It has become increasingly clear that it will harm the population and the economy of the U.K. for years to come. I think the government (ha ha) have to do what is right for the country. Brexit clearly is not right at all.

I keep thinking of when l did the Weimar Republic for history. People paying for bread out of wheelbarrows of money!

I want my children to have a safe and secure future. Not a future dictated by 30 or so old white men. Who are totally out of touch with the real population.

There are 2 things about this whole car rash which are making me furious. One is that so much media time has been devoted to the likes of Rees Mogg. Like he is an important person? WTF? We have had hours and hours of how the Brexiteers were going to take control etc. But they haven’t and therefore were not that important.

The other thing is the appalling cost of this shitshow. Whilst children are hungry and the ill and disabled are ignored. Any British citizen should hang their head in shame. I am embarrassed to be British atm

We had a GE post referendum

We did indeed, and I don't recall anyone banging on about how undemocratic that was, even though the country had voted in a GE only a couple of years before. So why can't we have another referendum a couple of years on as well? If "the people" still want what they voted for in 2016, they will have the option to vote for that again. So what are you scared of?

We did indeed, and I don't recall anyone banging on about how undemocratic that was, even though the country had voted in a GE.

Brenda in Bristol wasn't impressed.😉

Over three quarters of HoC voted for a GE, the Tories had a change of leader also. We were given a vote, as has been said Labour were ambiguous, Lib Dems had not done well in a ConDem alliance. You can only go with what you have. An invested hard line remained would likely vote Lib Dem, someone who had more than Brexit as a factor voted Labour.

I won't vote Labour again in the foreseeable future.

I won't vote remain if we vote again. Women's rights and a right to a religious/philosophical belief matter to me - Labour and the EU gave them away in the naughties - the Labour party manifesto intends to give yet more away and the rumoured new Lib Dem leader claims to have some batshit ability to see into souls . Brexit doesn't mean as much to me.

Go look at what those leading the leave campaign think of women's rights.

Go look at what those leading the leave campaign think of women's rights.

At least they are honest about it, unlike the feminist lefty Dude Bros like Justin Trudeau who gaslight and centre males over females.

{“Brexit must be delivered”}
In that case someone needs to define EXACTLY what a 'Brexit' is.
It is the same as me demanding a 'wobblygig', unless such a thing is properly defined I can never have one.
'Leavers' have had over 2 1/2 years to define what a 'Brexit' is and have still failed.

Did the EU actually erode women's rights? I don't think so. Similarly it does not have a particular view on religion as many religions are practiced across the EU countries.

At least they are honest about it, unlike the feminist lefty Dude Bros like Justin Trudeau who gaslight and centre males over females

What the xxxx has the Canadian pm got to do with anything at all?

Have you any evidence that the EU has eroded women's rights? or Blairs Labour party for that matter?

Did the EU actually erode women's rights? I don't think so. Similarly it does not have a particular view on religion as many religions are practiced across the EU countries.

The EUCJ ordered the UK to give away women's rights - so human rights, to promote compelled speech and removed rights to religious and philosophical beliefs - all for a legal fiction. The Labour party carried it out in 2004, under the radar. The Labour party manifesto has plans to remove further rights from women and has plans for more extreme compelled speech, criminalisation of wrong thought, denial of biological reality and removing the right to free speech along with religious/philosophical belief.

Have you been living under a rock? Have you not heard anything women have said during all of the gender recognition act debate?

Brexit will happen (be it in a half hearted, still vaguely tied to the EU WAY) because it will be the death of the Tories if they dont. You can't call a referendum saying you will abide by the result and then you turn around 2 years later and say actually we know better and we're staying- what a vile precedent to set.

I am sure you can use your critical thinking skills, try to prove me wrong start with the information linked in this video, prove the EU and Labour didn't do what I said they did. I am not doing all the work for you.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=f6DLhFiLqds

{You can't call a referendum saying you will abide by the result and then you turn around 2 years later and say actually we know better and we're staying- what a vile precedent to set.}
When you can define EXACTLY all the elements of being an EU member and guarantee that you wish to 'leave' all of this behind, they you could be taken seriously. You had better get writing as there is about 45 years worth of legislation to get through.

All the political parties, with the exception of UKIP and the Communist parties, are in thrall to the Transgender movement at the moment. It was the Conservatives who wanted to introduce Self-ID.

Some are beginning to wake up, though.

1tisILeClerc take the actual arguments of brexit out the conversation and explain to me how you expect politics in this country to recover if the government backs out of such a monumental promise they made to the British Public

To me a 'person in the street' is simply that, a person in the street. To base the departure from Europe based on some sexual activity or mindset is somewhat missing the point that the Brexit actions will negatively impact ALL persons in the UK and to a lesser extent everyone else in Europe.