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Is it me or is no Brexit looking a whole lot more likely tonight?

239 replies

Bearbehind · 04/12/2018 18:14

If no deal is pretty much off the table following the parliamentary votes tonight then the choice is ‘shit deal’ or no Brexit.

It’s clear which Remainers would prefer but what about Leavers?

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nicoala1 · 04/12/2018 23:02

So go on, the investment into trying to stop this is exhausting now.

But the fallout will be so much more difficult. I know this, but that is down the line.

ilovesooty · 04/12/2018 23:03

The most sensible thing to do would be to call the whole thing off. I doubt that most leave voters would riot in the streets. If they do there are laws to deal with them if they cause hurt and damage.

Jason118 · 04/12/2018 23:04

Most leave voters wouldn't even notice Smile

jasjas1973 · 04/12/2018 23:05

@Jaguar2017

You voted to bring back Parliamentary sovereignty, if parliament decides a PV, a revoke, no-deal or even to cancel xmas, then you and me have to accept it and vote accordingly at the next GE.

Thats how it works, if you riot, then the Police and Army will also act accordingly and you'll be jailed, get a crim record and prob never work again.

But tbh most leave voters i know have too much to lose or are too old.

UKIP are having a big rally soon, if you get 20k people there, i'll vote leave.

lazysummer · 04/12/2018 23:19

I am impressed by the way that Parliament has taken back control, which surely was what leave voters were hoping for.
I have more respect for the backbenchers and shadow cabinet (Keir Starmer and Dominic Grieve in particular) than the cabinet. However, I can't understand why the vote was so narrow. Who would vote NOT to see the legal advice?

Leonie87 · 04/12/2018 23:22

Whether or not some Neanderthals will riot should not factor into the equation. Should not be held to ransom on that point. It’s irrelevant.

Racecardriver · 04/12/2018 23:25

Hmm does it matter? The situation is far from ideal regardless of what happens. It’s what happens when you have idiots (regardless of whether they are EU idiots or British ones) running the country.

Racecardriver · 04/12/2018 23:28

@jasjas that’s not how parliamentary sovereignty works. The legitimacy of the sovereignty of parliament arises from the democratic process. Parliament is meant to enact the will of the people by MPs representing the views of their constituents. Hypothetically they could do whatever you get wanted but in that instance the regent would refuse to pass the act. So if parliament decided to ban Christmas they wouldn’t be able to because the queen wouldn’t assent. There is no absolutely power in the UK constitution.

Racecardriver · 04/12/2018 23:30

@jaguar do you really think that is appropriate or even remotely productive?

SleightOfMind · 04/12/2018 23:34

I’ve got a Brexit MP, not the brightest.
He’s been oafishly committed to voting down the WA in the hope of no deal.

I’m hoping events are now moving too fast for him and he’ll stubbornly cling to his position, inching us one step closer to a PV Grin.

nicoala1 · 04/12/2018 23:36

I am sorry to say it, but Brexit so far from a Parliament perspective is a total and utterly laughing stock now.

What the actual FK is happening. I don't think anyone knows, and probably never did.

OMG. Should be ashamed of themselves right now. What a clusterfk.

themueslicamel · 04/12/2018 23:36

For the majority who voted voted for Brexit, it was a clear mandate to the government.

There was no soft, hard, in this, out of that, Norway, Canada etc, these have all been created since by the establishment whom are tying everything in knots while we quietly wait, biding our time waiting for the will of the people to be delivered.

We have been called thick, racist, uneducated, old, told we are dying out, linked to abhorrent far right groups, told we didn't understand and generally patronised and goaded.

There are difficult questions and hard choices, Northern Ireland particularly so and no easy answers to these tough questions.

I think an article in the FT a few weeks ago hit the nail on the head when it said there are no winners in a divorce, just the pain of separating and trying to work together, without being together in the future being about the best achievement one can hope for.

Gina Miller was right to seek legal clarification of the process, however Brexit must be delivered, David Cameron was explicit in his confirmation to the electorate that a leave vote would mean we left the European Union and the 72.2% of the electorate (source the electoral commission website) who turned out did so on this basis.

You cannot spin your way out of this without seriously undermining referenda and parliamentary democracy, and if Brexit isn't delivered, I genuinely believe that the largest gathering our nation has ever seen will take to the streets to voice peaceful dissatisfaction.

I will be amongst them.

nicoala1 · 04/12/2018 23:43

Brexit just happened. No plan, no nothing, and here we are.

Should have taken five years to invoke A50 and think and plan and realise the implications of this.

But no, out we go.

And here we are now. The hubris will bite.

GardenOfSeeds · 04/12/2018 23:45

I am impressed by the way that Parliament has taken back control, which surely was what leave voters were hoping for. Grin

I am confident a shaft Brexit will happen with lots of dramatics. I am actually enjoying the show.Grin

I laughed at Teresa May being in contempt of parliament and the old law which would lock her in the big Ben tower.Grin

Didiusfalco · 04/12/2018 23:48

@themueslicamel but if there was another referendum and the result was different, how would you feel then? Genuine question.

You must agree the propaganda around the leave campaign was woefully inaccurate?

MedicinalGin · 04/12/2018 23:49

i will be amongst them

🙄

GardenOfSeeds · 04/12/2018 23:52

Brexit just happened. No plan, no nothing, and here we are.

The Tories are a joke.

LEMtheoriginal · 04/12/2018 23:53

Ok can somebidy explain this to me, very simply, what the actual fuck is going on?

Are we leaving or aren't we?

lazymare · 04/12/2018 23:54

Maybe.
Maybe not.

GardenOfSeeds · 04/12/2018 23:54

Nobody knows.

My guess is we will have a soft Brexit.

LEMtheoriginal · 04/12/2018 23:55

Is that good or bad?

GardenOfSeeds · 04/12/2018 23:56

Just lots of posturing MPs, excited press, anxious and confused public with some of us laughing at MPs.

GardenOfSeeds · 04/12/2018 23:57

Soft Brexit is better than crashing out.

MedicinalGin · 04/12/2018 23:58

We look like such a shower of clowns, I mean honestly.

It’s like we’ve all been to the EU pub, decided to leave in a massive huff and then got stuck in the doors and we are so pissed we are fighting with our own reflection in the mirrored windows.

The other countries are just looking on, going 👀 😬🤦‍♀️ and wondering if we’ll make it outside onto the kerb before we vomit all down ourselves.

It’s nuts, this whole thing.

themueslicamel · 05/12/2018 00:00

Genuine answer, I don't want one, when do we stop having them?

Best of three, 5? 7?

We can tear ourselves apart in ever more segregated groupings which benefits no one in my own opinion.

On the subject of funding, I am always amazed that David Cameron's £9,000,000 leaflet drop to the whole country, unbiasedly telling us to remain, and sent days before official campaigning started gets such little mention.....