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Westministenders: Well this is getting interesting!

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 14:52

The Minister responsible for writing a deal with the EU has succeeded in coming to an agreement. And has subsequently resigned because he can not agree with it. This man previously didn't know where Dover was, and why this was important. This man is a solicitor used to writing and reading complicated documents.

And we are supposed to believe he has done the honourable thing and has quit on a matter of principle. And has in no way, been a Carpetbagger all along and has deliberately intended to scupper a deal.

Mundell is not wrong about his former Cabinet College but its not terribly polite.

Esther has fucked off too. She was cut out the loop over the UC slow down and was precorded as civil servants thought she'd go crackers if she gave a live interview. This seems consistent with reports that she threw a tantrum in the Cabinet meeting, demanding a vote, before Sir Humphrey told her to refer to the Cabinet Handbook that states that votes are not allowed.

Rees-Smugg seems to have triggered a split in the ERG and has submitted a letter to Graham. Graham has been to see Julian, to tell him that he's not had enough fan mail - yet. Other ERG seem more content to just attempt to vote the deal down. Will there be a confidence vote? If there is, will May win? If she does she gets a special prize of 12 months immunity albeit with the booby prize of still having to get a deal through Parliament.

May now seems to be running a minority government as there are suggestions that the confidence and supply deal with the DUP is over. Kate Hoey appear to have joined the DUP. Perhaps she should have resigned from the Labour party first.

Gove was offered the poison chalice of the Brexit Secretary post. Initial reports said he baulked at the responsibility. Will he resign? Is he just going to go for the top job now? There is now suggestion, he hasn't rejected it afterall. Maybe she should just abolish the department and reallocate resources to the Cabinet office (like she's already done anyway).

Mordaunt is meeting the PM this afternoon to be told personally that there isn't a cat in hell's chance that May will have a free vote over Brexit. Just so she can get the PR for her leadership bid. Resignation scheduled for this afternoon.

Hunt and Javid just sat on the front bench after making noises to please leavers and set themselves up for their leadership bid.

Johnson is lurking. No statement today. Got some ringing around to get supporters for his leadership bid? Will he be the stalking horse?

Loathsome and Fox, admit their political careers have reached their zenith, and they got a cat in hell's chance of getting another Cabinet post. They are not resigning. Today at least.

Greyling is currently silent. There is speculation that his resignation is running late. Twitter is having a field day with jokes.

Duncan has said that an ERG candidate won't be able to form a government - implying that Tories would resign the whip if they did.

Stewart, has done his honourable best to support May through thick and thin, with his best Comical Ali impression and spouting any old bollocks on the radio. Bless Little Rory.

Neill retweets him. Soames doesn't sounds unlike them both. Morgan wouldn't mind a Cabinet job again. Soubry doesn't really care who is in charge as long anymore so long as its not the ERG.

Hancock said in Cabinet that he couldn't guarentee no deaths in a no deal situation. Leavers do not have an alternative idea to May's deal but No Deal. They don't mind risking Hancock being unable to protect people from death.

There are 10 days to go until the EU Summit. We have no idea if we will have a clear PM. Two days later we find out if unilateral revokation is an option to save our necks from disaster if we get that far.

If there is a no confidence vote, its penciled in for Tuesday.

The only Brexit certainity you can be sure of is this thread won't make it til then.

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prettybird · 15/11/2018 16:31

....because the rules changed after Major did it, to stop it happening again Hmm

BigChocFrenzy · 15/11/2018 16:32

DG A Tory leaser can resign any time they want, for any reason they want
e.g. running away, like Cameron

They just can't stand as leader again

BigChocFrenzy · 15/11/2018 16:32

Tory leader

BigChocFrenzy · 15/11/2018 16:33

Good idea re list, red
I've just copied it down

Talkstotrees · 15/11/2018 16:33

Nick Robinson:

“What PM could say (in order of likelihood)
A. I fight on. My deal is in national interest
B. Parliament must decide but I’ll give MPs a free vote (& hope that saves my deal)
C. Michael Gove, my new Brexit Sec, will re-negotiate my deal as it can’t command a majority
D. I quit”

BigChocFrenzy · 15/11/2018 16:34

"C" is a non-starter
EU says "enough"

1tisILeClerc · 15/11/2018 16:34

{if May can't resign, how could she voluntarily leave the role ?}
leave a note on the mantlepiece, fast car to Heathrow and first class plane ticket to Switzerland, easy!

1tisILeClerc · 15/11/2018 16:37

She said 'A' in the HoC earlier today.
I think a 'Free vote' by MPs was also said.

DGRossetti · 15/11/2018 16:38

Tx to all for explaining the resignation point. Pretty certain I knew it, but heigh ho.

I've mentally removed one "cunt" sticker from my cut-out-and-throwaway book of Tory leaders then, since she wasn't able to "do a Major" (oooooo .... Edwina !) and call the ERGs bluff.

That said, I still think a change of leader, meaning a change of PM should be considered enough to call a GE, seeing as the fiction of "you vote for a candidate" has been shown for what it is ....

bofsy1 · 15/11/2018 16:39

Theresa May has great resilience, you have to admire her even if you detest her politics and party.

No one knows if she will resign or not. But just guessing here, I think she will carry on until the vote in the Commons, assuming the leadership election will be after that. I'm not sure of the timetables here!

Then if the Commons vote down the agreement, she will exit stage left, having done everything she could.

But she might resign at 5pm too, who knows!

Motheroffourdragons · 15/11/2018 16:41

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Whatsnewwithyou · 15/11/2018 16:44

What about adding e) to Nick Robinson's list - she calls for another referendum like she hinted at yesterday as a possibility (my deal, no deal, or no brexit)?

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 16:46

Steven Swinford @Steven_Swinford

NEW

Dominic Raab quit after being blindsided by final Brexit deal & commitment that future relationship would 'build on' CU & Single Market.

He asked in Cabinet 'who licensed this?'

After meeting ended he went into side-room with Chief Whip and told him he was quitting.

It's a lesson that Michael Gove would do well to heed as he weighs up whether to become the new Brexit Secretary. Two of his predecessors thought they could define the role, both quit after being blindsided by PM and Olly Robbins.

Thats Dominic 'I didn't realise the importance of Dover' Raab.

I do not believe any suggestion he didn't know this.

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 16:48

Oh god, press conference is in the room she did the tough 'woe is me, the EU are being mean speech'.

Is she going to accept Gove as Brexit secretary and officially announce No Deal.

That room makes me bloody nervous.

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BrexitSecretary · 15/11/2018 16:48

my deal, no deal, or no brexit

BUt... people still won't understand what they are voting for?

They won't know what no deal or believe that it can be that bad.
They definitely won't understand her deal apart from soundbite "we are a vessel state".
And leavers are angered about remain so won't go for that either.

Imagine people voting for a no deal.

MissMalice · 15/11/2018 16:48

Ken Clarke predicting May would comfortably win vote of no confidence and that would boost her.

DGRossetti · 15/11/2018 16:49

I don't know what, but something needs to happen to be able to get to a second referendum. It has to be done with the Brexiteers behind it (assuming they will win) not in spite of them.

As far as I can see, the only way that can happen is if "no deal" is removed (somehow) as an option. At which point it's this deal, or a second referendum in the (hopefully vain) hope of securing a greater mandate for Brexit.

If nothing else, the relentless tick tock tick tock of us edging towards no deal is really putting the entire UK political "system" (as such) under a strain it was never intended to bear. We really are in unprecedented times here. No one - no one has seen anything like this, or planned for anything like this.

bofsy1 · 15/11/2018 16:50

Nigel Farage spitting feathers on Sky News. Hilarious.

DGRossetti · 15/11/2018 16:51

Is she going to accept Gove as Brexit secretary and officially announce No Deal.

If there's no deal, is there any need for a Brexit secretary ? Surely all departments just carry on with their plans as before ?

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 16:51

Tom Harwood @tomhfh
a sheet of paper conceals whether the lectern is branded or not. curious.

Not easing my nervousness...

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DGRossetti · 15/11/2018 16:51

Nigel Farage spitting feathers on Sky News. Hilarious.

You know, life's not so bad after all ...

rainbowquack · 15/11/2018 16:52

I am wondering if she will resign..

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 16:52

DGR, I'm going to just edit that for you:

is there any need for a Brexit secretary ?

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Hazardswan · 15/11/2018 16:53

Please god I don't believe in don't let her annouce no deal.

Assume the position and brace, brace, brace, brace, every one.

MissMalice · 15/11/2018 16:55

What’s the significance of the branded or not lectern?