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Westministenders: Well this is getting interesting!

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 14:52

The Minister responsible for writing a deal with the EU has succeeded in coming to an agreement. And has subsequently resigned because he can not agree with it. This man previously didn't know where Dover was, and why this was important. This man is a solicitor used to writing and reading complicated documents.

And we are supposed to believe he has done the honourable thing and has quit on a matter of principle. And has in no way, been a Carpetbagger all along and has deliberately intended to scupper a deal.

Mundell is not wrong about his former Cabinet College but its not terribly polite.

Esther has fucked off too. She was cut out the loop over the UC slow down and was precorded as civil servants thought she'd go crackers if she gave a live interview. This seems consistent with reports that she threw a tantrum in the Cabinet meeting, demanding a vote, before Sir Humphrey told her to refer to the Cabinet Handbook that states that votes are not allowed.

Rees-Smugg seems to have triggered a split in the ERG and has submitted a letter to Graham. Graham has been to see Julian, to tell him that he's not had enough fan mail - yet. Other ERG seem more content to just attempt to vote the deal down. Will there be a confidence vote? If there is, will May win? If she does she gets a special prize of 12 months immunity albeit with the booby prize of still having to get a deal through Parliament.

May now seems to be running a minority government as there are suggestions that the confidence and supply deal with the DUP is over. Kate Hoey appear to have joined the DUP. Perhaps she should have resigned from the Labour party first.

Gove was offered the poison chalice of the Brexit Secretary post. Initial reports said he baulked at the responsibility. Will he resign? Is he just going to go for the top job now? There is now suggestion, he hasn't rejected it afterall. Maybe she should just abolish the department and reallocate resources to the Cabinet office (like she's already done anyway).

Mordaunt is meeting the PM this afternoon to be told personally that there isn't a cat in hell's chance that May will have a free vote over Brexit. Just so she can get the PR for her leadership bid. Resignation scheduled for this afternoon.

Hunt and Javid just sat on the front bench after making noises to please leavers and set themselves up for their leadership bid.

Johnson is lurking. No statement today. Got some ringing around to get supporters for his leadership bid? Will he be the stalking horse?

Loathsome and Fox, admit their political careers have reached their zenith, and they got a cat in hell's chance of getting another Cabinet post. They are not resigning. Today at least.

Greyling is currently silent. There is speculation that his resignation is running late. Twitter is having a field day with jokes.

Duncan has said that an ERG candidate won't be able to form a government - implying that Tories would resign the whip if they did.

Stewart, has done his honourable best to support May through thick and thin, with his best Comical Ali impression and spouting any old bollocks on the radio. Bless Little Rory.

Neill retweets him. Soames doesn't sounds unlike them both. Morgan wouldn't mind a Cabinet job again. Soubry doesn't really care who is in charge as long anymore so long as its not the ERG.

Hancock said in Cabinet that he couldn't guarentee no deaths in a no deal situation. Leavers do not have an alternative idea to May's deal but No Deal. They don't mind risking Hancock being unable to protect people from death.

There are 10 days to go until the EU Summit. We have no idea if we will have a clear PM. Two days later we find out if unilateral revokation is an option to save our necks from disaster if we get that far.

If there is a no confidence vote, its penciled in for Tuesday.

The only Brexit certainity you can be sure of is this thread won't make it til then.

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 16:55

Amber Rudd MP @AmberRuddHR
This morning I highlighted that it's the people outside the Westminster bubble who will be most adversely affected by a no deal Brexit. We need a Brexit that protects our jobs and economy.

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DGRossetti · 15/11/2018 16:55

@RTB Grin

rainbowquack · 15/11/2018 16:55

I have bbc one on, ready for the news and a shandy poured...

bofsy1 · 15/11/2018 16:57

Whatever about her resigning, and I wouldn't blame her at all, but offering a no deal Brexit at this stage would be a total capitulation to the ERG.

It is just so nail biting. I hope she sticks to her guns and doesn't give an inch.

WA or People's vote (and quickly please!).

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 16:57

Peter Walker @peterwalker99
Here's the story: House of Lords blocks suspension of Lib Dem peer Lord Lester, who was found to have sexually harassed campaigner Jasvinder Sanghera, saying she would get a peerage if she slept with him.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/15/peers-block-lord-lesters-suspension-over-harassment-claims

Peter Walker @peterwalker99
I've just spoken to Jasvinder Sanghera, who is distraught three investigations have been overturned. She says she would now not advise other victims of harassment by peers to make a formal complaint: "I would not want to subject them to what I’ve been through.”

This is a very alarming outcome to the first harassment investigation by the Lords, and for wider efforts to curb such behaviour in parliament. Those who voted to block the suspension included Labour peers Andrew Adonis & Melvyn Bragg and, among Tories, the Duke of Wellington.

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smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 15/11/2018 16:57

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 17:02

David Allen Green @davidallengreen

Five Brute Facts About Brexit

Which exist, whether like them or not.

One: the UK voted Leave in a dedicated referendum, after a long campaign and with a heavy turnout. In the subsequent general election most MPs elected on manifestos that Brexit would be implemented.

Two: the UK will leave the EU by automatic operation of law on 29 March 2019, unless something exceptional and not currently in view happens.

Three: the European Communities Act 1972 will be repealed on 29 March 2019 by automatic operation of law, again unless something exceptional and not currently in view happens.

Four: the UK has not made any, or any proper, planning for No Deal and there is not time available to put in place proper no deal arrangements before March 2019.

Five: the draft withdrawal agreement is the EU27's offering, and no attempt of "re-negotiation" will easily budge the EU's position, and certainly not quickly. It is an accordance of two years' worth of guidelines etc.

These Brute Facts can change - including the mandate being somehow extinguished - but none can be changed with ease or speed.

So they set the parameters of what is possible. In the cold light of mid-December, when MPs come to vote, it looks like there is a choice: cancel Brexit, no deal, or this deal. If the mandate still stands, and there is no preparation for No Deal, then only the third is viable.

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 17:06

Aubrey Allegretti @breeallegretti
The PM's emblem is ON THE PODIUM. Phew.

In other words, its not a personal statement.
(aka a resignation)

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2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney · 15/11/2018 17:06

Branding of the lecture is Conservative logo if resigning or govt logo if govt business ie I carry on regsrdless.
Wonder if they are not showing enough of lecture on purpose now?

DGRossetti · 15/11/2018 17:09

Where's the ERG bad boys and their letters, then ?

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 17:09

Nope thats definitely the PM emblem, not a conservative one.

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Talkstotrees · 15/11/2018 17:10

Btw, got this today. I posted my letter second class on Friday.

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 17:11

iain watson @iainjwatson
I am told PM isnt calling the 5pm press conference because of a confidence vote has been triggered - she will be arguing for her deal

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smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 15/11/2018 17:11

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bofsy1 · 15/11/2018 17:13

She will come out fighting, I sincerely hope.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 15/11/2018 17:14

she's just going to go 'best deal for the country, people won't agree with every part of it, still negotiating blah blah blah'.
I'm not expecting anything other than grim determination.

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 17:15

twitter.com/BarristerSecret/status/1063117492074266624
Prediction for the News Conference

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 17:16

ANyone who has cracked open the gin or the wine, remember to down it when May says

"in the national interest"

You might want to keep the bottle handy.

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DGRossetti · 15/11/2018 17:17

Sorry, did anyone really think this ERG bunch were seriously capable of doing anything of note ? It would fly in the face of all they stand for. They only represent themselves and a very small constituency. I never gave them credit for having much clout, and it seems I was right.

If they were going to do anything it would be now. And they haven't because they can't. They're hardly that popular with their own party.

rainbowquack · 15/11/2018 17:18

I want popcorn but am too scared to go and pop it in the microwave Incase I miss it...

DGRossetti · 15/11/2018 17:20

I've got to cook dinner now. Dead duck soup seems appropriate. Especially with a Marx Brothers reference ...

LouiseCollins28 · 15/11/2018 17:21

Hope this is good strong stuff from Mrs May! V pleased to see the government logo in place, indicating not a resignation statement.

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 17:22

20 mins late now.

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SusanWalker · 15/11/2018 17:22

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J.K. Rowling
J.K. Rowling
@jk_rowling
#Brexit has collided with reality and now the cowardly bastards who plotted its course scramble for the lifeboats squealing ‘it’s all her fault! We could have magicked the icebergs away!’

This is a crisis. The country has the right to speak again. We need a #PeoplesVote.

plaidlife · 15/11/2018 17:23

Only 11:30am in the mid west USA so a little early for gin, but tempted! We should really draw up a bingo card for these occasions.

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