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Westministenders: Well this is getting interesting!

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 14:52

The Minister responsible for writing a deal with the EU has succeeded in coming to an agreement. And has subsequently resigned because he can not agree with it. This man previously didn't know where Dover was, and why this was important. This man is a solicitor used to writing and reading complicated documents.

And we are supposed to believe he has done the honourable thing and has quit on a matter of principle. And has in no way, been a Carpetbagger all along and has deliberately intended to scupper a deal.

Mundell is not wrong about his former Cabinet College but its not terribly polite.

Esther has fucked off too. She was cut out the loop over the UC slow down and was precorded as civil servants thought she'd go crackers if she gave a live interview. This seems consistent with reports that she threw a tantrum in the Cabinet meeting, demanding a vote, before Sir Humphrey told her to refer to the Cabinet Handbook that states that votes are not allowed.

Rees-Smugg seems to have triggered a split in the ERG and has submitted a letter to Graham. Graham has been to see Julian, to tell him that he's not had enough fan mail - yet. Other ERG seem more content to just attempt to vote the deal down. Will there be a confidence vote? If there is, will May win? If she does she gets a special prize of 12 months immunity albeit with the booby prize of still having to get a deal through Parliament.

May now seems to be running a minority government as there are suggestions that the confidence and supply deal with the DUP is over. Kate Hoey appear to have joined the DUP. Perhaps she should have resigned from the Labour party first.

Gove was offered the poison chalice of the Brexit Secretary post. Initial reports said he baulked at the responsibility. Will he resign? Is he just going to go for the top job now? There is now suggestion, he hasn't rejected it afterall. Maybe she should just abolish the department and reallocate resources to the Cabinet office (like she's already done anyway).

Mordaunt is meeting the PM this afternoon to be told personally that there isn't a cat in hell's chance that May will have a free vote over Brexit. Just so she can get the PR for her leadership bid. Resignation scheduled for this afternoon.

Hunt and Javid just sat on the front bench after making noises to please leavers and set themselves up for their leadership bid.

Johnson is lurking. No statement today. Got some ringing around to get supporters for his leadership bid? Will he be the stalking horse?

Loathsome and Fox, admit their political careers have reached their zenith, and they got a cat in hell's chance of getting another Cabinet post. They are not resigning. Today at least.

Greyling is currently silent. There is speculation that his resignation is running late. Twitter is having a field day with jokes.

Duncan has said that an ERG candidate won't be able to form a government - implying that Tories would resign the whip if they did.

Stewart, has done his honourable best to support May through thick and thin, with his best Comical Ali impression and spouting any old bollocks on the radio. Bless Little Rory.

Neill retweets him. Soames doesn't sounds unlike them both. Morgan wouldn't mind a Cabinet job again. Soubry doesn't really care who is in charge as long anymore so long as its not the ERG.

Hancock said in Cabinet that he couldn't guarentee no deaths in a no deal situation. Leavers do not have an alternative idea to May's deal but No Deal. They don't mind risking Hancock being unable to protect people from death.

There are 10 days to go until the EU Summit. We have no idea if we will have a clear PM. Two days later we find out if unilateral revokation is an option to save our necks from disaster if we get that far.

If there is a no confidence vote, its penciled in for Tuesday.

The only Brexit certainity you can be sure of is this thread won't make it til then.

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1tisILeClerc · 15/11/2018 15:55

Mrs May is the 'right man for the job' but just a bummer that she is aiming in the wrong direction.

Mrsr8 · 15/11/2018 15:56

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AutumnCrow · 15/11/2018 15:57

I watched Theresa May live today for three hours and at times she wasn't able to answer the questions properly. She looked like a lightweight.

prettybird · 15/11/2018 15:58

Posted at the end of the last thread:

I'm not a supporter of Rory Stewart either. He was a strong opponent of the Indyref and iirc, came up with the "Hands Across the Border" idea - getting x,000 people to join hands along the Scottish-English border to represent how "united" the country was.

Never heard of it? Indeed Hmm It never got the support he assumed expected and morphed into a wee cairn, to be added to by visitors, the supporting structure for which is bigger than the actual stones that were placed on it.

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 15:58

Kevin Maguire @Kevin_Maguire
Thank you to the Conservative MP with the rule book who rang to say the rules have changed and a leader can't stand again if they resign

So that option is out

Is this May's 'footballer manager speech', you know the one where they all say they are not resign and have the complete confidence of the chairman the day before they are sacked?

Scheduled for 5pm ish

(done the dishwasher... now for the washing machine...)

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prettybird · 15/11/2018 16:00

Does it say something about how politically geekish Brexit has made me that I already knew that? Blush

BigChocFrenzy · 15/11/2018 16:00

re Kevin Maguire's call for May to take the initiative:

The current leadership rules were brought in to prevent any future leader copying Major's "back me or sack me"

May can't trigger a leadership vote herself
Only the 48 letters from MPs can do that

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 16:01

Nicholas Soames @NSoames
It should be a point of Honour to see off the ERG and it’s hard right members who have been ruining the fortunes of our Party for years #enoughisenoughyouvegonetoofar

Paul Waugh @paulwaugh
Getting a lot of this pushback from what minister Victoria Atkins calls 'the Moderate Middle' of the Tory party

norman smith @BBCNormanS
Let battle commence.......... #torycivilwar #longtimecoming

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DGRossetti · 15/11/2018 16:01

www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/15/withdrawal_agreement_brexit/

The UK will be locked out of European Union databases once the Brexit transition period ends – but the UK is hoping a data adequacy decision will be adopted by the end of 2020.

The Withdrawal Agreement (PDF), published late last night and testing printers across the nation this morning, runs to almost 600 pages and has led to six Conservative Party resignations already.

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Hazardswan · 15/11/2018 16:09

From lib dems. Rally in London today.

Go for me if you can!

"Ministers resigning on the hour, every hour. A Prime Minister in crisis. A Brexit deal that is hated by everyone.

We don’t know what will happen in the next week, day, or even the next hour.

But we do know, with this chaos, this is the best chance we have had yet to force the Government to grant you the final say.

We have led this fight for the last two years – today, we are closer than ever to succeeding.

We’re throwing everything at this HAZARD. We're holding a Rally for the Final Say in Parliament Square this evening, we’re stepping up our online campaigns and we’re mobilising parliamentarians from across the political spectrum.

This may be the best chance we are going to have to stop Brexit. Let's not waste it.

Best wishes,

The Liberal Democrats"

CoperCabana · 15/11/2018 16:12

Thanks for this thread.

bellinisurge · 15/11/2018 16:14

My local Labour MP has put something on FB to ask for views. This is a Hard Brexit area and the vote Leave was pretty huge.
While I wouldn't say there were no Hard Brexit/No Deal posts, this is honestly the first time I have seen anything on local FB pages that is either for Remain or, at least, for a second referendum.
I haven't posted anything because I don't want to put my head above the parapet, but I have seen some familiar faces that I thought were massively for Leave and now aren't so sure.
Anecdotal, obviously.

PCPlumsTruncheon · 15/11/2018 16:15

I’m in London. I’m going!

DGRossetti · 15/11/2018 16:15

My local Labour MP has put something on FB to ask for views.

hardly a secret ballot ...

bellinisurge · 15/11/2018 16:18

No @DGRossetti , not a secret ballot (which is why I didn't contribute- I have already emailed him) but if you knew my area (northern England rural/suburban/urban mix - pockets of immigration all over. Big Leave area) and what people normally post, you would be amazed. And, I hope, cheered.

PerkingFaintly · 15/11/2018 16:19

Have taken a deep breath and am drawing up a seat in this thread. At the back, where the splash won't reach.

Thanks to all the stalwart regulars.

Hazardswan · 15/11/2018 16:20

Literally with you in spirit then Smile

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 16:20

Tory MPs who have publicly declared they have written letters of no confidence

-Baker
-Bridgen
-Bone
-Smith
-Caulfield
-Clarke
-Davies
-Dorries
-Duddridge
-Francois
-Jenkyns
-Morris
-Murray
-Rees-Mogg
-Rowley
-Vickers
-Whittingdale

Can we copy and update as and when we get any more please?

I make it currently 17 in (or promised to put in).

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lonelyplanetmum · 15/11/2018 16:22

PMK on the 4th ! page of a new thread.

That will teach me not to go out on some errands followed by the school run with a low battery.

DGRossetti · 15/11/2018 16:22

I make it currently 17 in (or promised to put in).

What's that bar again ? 48 ? Hmm I wish I'd put a fat five-Euro on this one.

Incidentally, from something upthread ... if May can't resign, how could she voluntarily leave the role ?

bofsy1 · 15/11/2018 16:27

DG,

I'm not sure if the circumstances are the same, but John Major resigned as leader and made the party put up or shut up. He was re elected easily AFAIR.

But there may be nuances in May's Premiership or maybe the rules have changed now.

Mrsr8 · 15/11/2018 16:28

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Talkstotrees · 15/11/2018 16:30

Scroll down in this article and you’ll find the Tories who campaigned for Leave. It might jog memories:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35616946

prettybird · 15/11/2018 16:30

She can resign. She just can't then put herself forward again as leader.

DarlingNikita · 15/11/2018 16:31

Mrsr8, I've been saying that for ages. I wouldn't blame her, at any point, but especially not now.

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