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Westministenders: Well this is getting interesting!

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 14:52

The Minister responsible for writing a deal with the EU has succeeded in coming to an agreement. And has subsequently resigned because he can not agree with it. This man previously didn't know where Dover was, and why this was important. This man is a solicitor used to writing and reading complicated documents.

And we are supposed to believe he has done the honourable thing and has quit on a matter of principle. And has in no way, been a Carpetbagger all along and has deliberately intended to scupper a deal.

Mundell is not wrong about his former Cabinet College but its not terribly polite.

Esther has fucked off too. She was cut out the loop over the UC slow down and was precorded as civil servants thought she'd go crackers if she gave a live interview. This seems consistent with reports that she threw a tantrum in the Cabinet meeting, demanding a vote, before Sir Humphrey told her to refer to the Cabinet Handbook that states that votes are not allowed.

Rees-Smugg seems to have triggered a split in the ERG and has submitted a letter to Graham. Graham has been to see Julian, to tell him that he's not had enough fan mail - yet. Other ERG seem more content to just attempt to vote the deal down. Will there be a confidence vote? If there is, will May win? If she does she gets a special prize of 12 months immunity albeit with the booby prize of still having to get a deal through Parliament.

May now seems to be running a minority government as there are suggestions that the confidence and supply deal with the DUP is over. Kate Hoey appear to have joined the DUP. Perhaps she should have resigned from the Labour party first.

Gove was offered the poison chalice of the Brexit Secretary post. Initial reports said he baulked at the responsibility. Will he resign? Is he just going to go for the top job now? There is now suggestion, he hasn't rejected it afterall. Maybe she should just abolish the department and reallocate resources to the Cabinet office (like she's already done anyway).

Mordaunt is meeting the PM this afternoon to be told personally that there isn't a cat in hell's chance that May will have a free vote over Brexit. Just so she can get the PR for her leadership bid. Resignation scheduled for this afternoon.

Hunt and Javid just sat on the front bench after making noises to please leavers and set themselves up for their leadership bid.

Johnson is lurking. No statement today. Got some ringing around to get supporters for his leadership bid? Will he be the stalking horse?

Loathsome and Fox, admit their political careers have reached their zenith, and they got a cat in hell's chance of getting another Cabinet post. They are not resigning. Today at least.

Greyling is currently silent. There is speculation that his resignation is running late. Twitter is having a field day with jokes.

Duncan has said that an ERG candidate won't be able to form a government - implying that Tories would resign the whip if they did.

Stewart, has done his honourable best to support May through thick and thin, with his best Comical Ali impression and spouting any old bollocks on the radio. Bless Little Rory.

Neill retweets him. Soames doesn't sounds unlike them both. Morgan wouldn't mind a Cabinet job again. Soubry doesn't really care who is in charge as long anymore so long as its not the ERG.

Hancock said in Cabinet that he couldn't guarentee no deaths in a no deal situation. Leavers do not have an alternative idea to May's deal but No Deal. They don't mind risking Hancock being unable to protect people from death.

There are 10 days to go until the EU Summit. We have no idea if we will have a clear PM. Two days later we find out if unilateral revokation is an option to save our necks from disaster if we get that far.

If there is a no confidence vote, its penciled in for Tuesday.

The only Brexit certainity you can be sure of is this thread won't make it til then.

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Xenia · 15/11/2018 15:29

The deal can't be changed so MPs who don't support it are basically voting for a hard brexit crash out. That might suit the very angry most pro Brexit ones but not most of the others and none of the remainers.

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 15:29

Hugo Gye @HugoGye
Tory chairman @BrandonLewis has emailed party members warning that if the PM's deal falls Britain will "leave with no deal or risk getting no Brexit at all".

Rumours have started that the summit on the 25th Nov is off. The EU debating whether there is any point or whether they will be wasting their time if this carries on...

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nuttynutjob · 15/11/2018 15:30

Plaice mat king and delurking again within 24 hrs

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 15:31

David Allen Green @davidallengreen
In the cold light of mid-December, suspect MPs will support this draft withdrawal agreement if the only alternative is a no deal Brexit.

Green is ever optimistic....

....Green was wrong about a50.

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1tisILeClerc · 15/11/2018 15:32

'Flippin 'eck' An AIBU on Brexit with a box picture on the homepage of MN!

UptownFlunk · 15/11/2018 15:32

I didn't realise we had moved to a new thread. Thank you Red for the sumary. I read these threads regularly although I don't post much but I just wanted to undermine the Rory Stewart love a bit as he is my MP and I have to say he is a hopeless constituency MP. I've asked for his help twice now and he is completely ineffectual and you have to badger him for any response at all.

That's quite apart from his alarmingly comical appearances on television. When we had serious flooding in Cumbria for the second time following the installation of very expensive flood defences his famous quote was: 'The flood defences weren't breached, the water simply came over the top.' Confused

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 15/11/2018 15:33

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SubtitlesOn · 15/11/2018 15:33

Watching parliament this morning and news channel now

BigChocFrenzy · 15/11/2018 15:34

Lee Rowley, the North East Derbyshire MP and a member of the 2017 intake, has also handed in a no confidence letter.

Another for your list, red

DGRossetti · 15/11/2018 15:35

French-led EU states call for changes to Britain's draft exit deal

Michel Rose, Francesco Guarascio

BRUSSELS/PARIS (Reuters) - France on Thursday led calls among European Union states for changes to the draft deal on Britain’s exit from the bloc, adding to uncertainty over the fate of the agreement as British Prime Minister Theresa faced an uproar at home.

May’s cabinet on Wednesday endorsed the draft to end Britain’s four decades in the bloc, a nearly 600-page, dense legal text that is far from certain to pass in the UK parliament and prompted several British ministers to resign on Thursday.

The other 27 EU states staying on together after Brexit plan to rubber-stamp the draft at a Nov. 25 leaders’ summit. But France spearheaded a group of states in raising objections to what has so far been agreed on fishing between the EU and UK after Brexit, diplomatic sources and EU officials said.

“On the draft agreement, several member states will ask for improvements on fishing,” a diplomatic source close to the negotiations said, listing concern about the issue in France, Denmark, Spain, Portugal and the Netherlands.

Finland and Ireland were also worried about future fishing arrangements, other diplomatic sources told Reuters.

Britain’s rich fishing waters are currently available to other EU states under mutual access arrangements with set quotas. While the EU has wanted to safeguard that scheme after Brexit, Britain wants to take unilateral control of its waters.

In the end, the draft Brexit deal leaves the case without a firm resolution at this stage. It says the two sides would try to agree on fisheries by July 2020, during the transition period after Brexit, to form part of an eventual new EU-UK trade deal.

The draft leaves fisheries outside of the single EU-UK customs zone that could be triggered if the sides find no other way to ensure an open Irish border - the so-called “backstop” mechanism that has long held up the overall agreement.

“Not all member states were very happy with that,” an EU official said.

UptownFlunk · 15/11/2018 15:36

Sorry about that Smile!

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SubtitlesOn · 15/11/2018 15:36

TM is going to do a news conference this afternoon

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 15:36

May to give a press conference on what is happening today in the next hour and a half.

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Inniu · 15/11/2018 15:37

I read on Twitter this morning someone suggesting that those talking about renegotiating the deal haven’t realized it is like spending 18 months haggling with the automatic scanning machine in Tesco.

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 15:38

Hmmm

Kevin Maguire @Kevin_Maguire
"If not me, who?" is May's best card in a confidence vote when no clear successor. Tory Brextremists playing the woman, not the policy(almost certain to be defeated in Parliament) is high risk

And why doesn't May seize the initiative and force a confidence vote instead of waiting for Tory Brexrermists to strike? John Major beat his enemies in 1995 by resigning as Tory leader to face them down while remaining PM

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Lico · 15/11/2018 15:38

Many Thanks Red-

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 15/11/2018 15:39

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1tisILeClerc · 15/11/2018 15:40

That 'Conservatives' announcement posted by RTB a moment ago, STILL the bollocks about taking back the borders and finances. Where the hell have they been for the last 2 years?
Does 3 short pieces of wood represent a Tory party conference?

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 15:43

Carwyn Jones @fmwales
I’ve issued a joint letter with @NicolaSturgeon to the Prime Minister calling for an urgent meeting of the Joint Ministerial committee

This is my letter

Dear Conservative Party

Please can you not resign / do anything else for just 30 minutes. I need to go get my washing out of the machine and tidy up a bit

Yours Hopefully

Red

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Hazardswan · 15/11/2018 15:44

Bets on the press conference?

All steam ahead in that classic May way of strong and stable no matter if everything is in flames ?

Hazardswan · 15/11/2018 15:45

Never mind getting the washing out I haven't put any on.... will do that now.

Whatsnewwithyou · 15/11/2018 15:46

I don't think she'll resign. I certainly hope not given the people lining up to try to take her place.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 15/11/2018 15:47

I've not prepared for a client meeting I've got in ten minutes. Oh dear. WIBU to have my laptop rolling the news in the background?

Cherrypi · 15/11/2018 15:53

Peter Bone Wellingborough mp said his letter was in on five live earlier. No surprise there.

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