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Westministenders: Well this is getting interesting!

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2018 14:52

The Minister responsible for writing a deal with the EU has succeeded in coming to an agreement. And has subsequently resigned because he can not agree with it. This man previously didn't know where Dover was, and why this was important. This man is a solicitor used to writing and reading complicated documents.

And we are supposed to believe he has done the honourable thing and has quit on a matter of principle. And has in no way, been a Carpetbagger all along and has deliberately intended to scupper a deal.

Mundell is not wrong about his former Cabinet College but its not terribly polite.

Esther has fucked off too. She was cut out the loop over the UC slow down and was precorded as civil servants thought she'd go crackers if she gave a live interview. This seems consistent with reports that she threw a tantrum in the Cabinet meeting, demanding a vote, before Sir Humphrey told her to refer to the Cabinet Handbook that states that votes are not allowed.

Rees-Smugg seems to have triggered a split in the ERG and has submitted a letter to Graham. Graham has been to see Julian, to tell him that he's not had enough fan mail - yet. Other ERG seem more content to just attempt to vote the deal down. Will there be a confidence vote? If there is, will May win? If she does she gets a special prize of 12 months immunity albeit with the booby prize of still having to get a deal through Parliament.

May now seems to be running a minority government as there are suggestions that the confidence and supply deal with the DUP is over. Kate Hoey appear to have joined the DUP. Perhaps she should have resigned from the Labour party first.

Gove was offered the poison chalice of the Brexit Secretary post. Initial reports said he baulked at the responsibility. Will he resign? Is he just going to go for the top job now? There is now suggestion, he hasn't rejected it afterall. Maybe she should just abolish the department and reallocate resources to the Cabinet office (like she's already done anyway).

Mordaunt is meeting the PM this afternoon to be told personally that there isn't a cat in hell's chance that May will have a free vote over Brexit. Just so she can get the PR for her leadership bid. Resignation scheduled for this afternoon.

Hunt and Javid just sat on the front bench after making noises to please leavers and set themselves up for their leadership bid.

Johnson is lurking. No statement today. Got some ringing around to get supporters for his leadership bid? Will he be the stalking horse?

Loathsome and Fox, admit their political careers have reached their zenith, and they got a cat in hell's chance of getting another Cabinet post. They are not resigning. Today at least.

Greyling is currently silent. There is speculation that his resignation is running late. Twitter is having a field day with jokes.

Duncan has said that an ERG candidate won't be able to form a government - implying that Tories would resign the whip if they did.

Stewart, has done his honourable best to support May through thick and thin, with his best Comical Ali impression and spouting any old bollocks on the radio. Bless Little Rory.

Neill retweets him. Soames doesn't sounds unlike them both. Morgan wouldn't mind a Cabinet job again. Soubry doesn't really care who is in charge as long anymore so long as its not the ERG.

Hancock said in Cabinet that he couldn't guarentee no deaths in a no deal situation. Leavers do not have an alternative idea to May's deal but No Deal. They don't mind risking Hancock being unable to protect people from death.

There are 10 days to go until the EU Summit. We have no idea if we will have a clear PM. Two days later we find out if unilateral revokation is an option to save our necks from disaster if we get that far.

If there is a no confidence vote, its penciled in for Tuesday.

The only Brexit certainity you can be sure of is this thread won't make it til then.

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RedToothBrush · 17/11/2018 22:29

Express reporting DD & Johnson have met to decide which one of them will be PM. JRM to be chancellor.

The Indy reporting moderate tories are talking about ditching Brexit all together.

Westministenders: Well this is getting interesting!
Westministenders: Well this is getting interesting!
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ElenadeClermont · 17/11/2018 22:35

Emails reveal Arron Banks’ links to Steve Bannon in quest for campaign cash

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/17/arron-banks-emails-steve-bannon-brexit-campaign-funds?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Isn't it illegal to source campaign funds from abroad?

jasjas1973 · 17/11/2018 22:35

RTB thats cheered me up no end before i set off to bed, i think i need another drink!

RedToothBrush · 17/11/2018 22:37

The Times reports that seven leading tories: Johnson, Rudd, Javid, Hunt, Davis, Mordaunt and Raab are all actively preparing leadership campaigns and have actively identified MP backers to drum up voters. Geoffrey Cox is also thinking about it.

Even cabinet ministers who suppprt the deal are set to tell May to renegotiate because they don't think she can get it through the commons.

The ERG will publish a seven page document 'ripping apart' the deal.

Rebels planning to oust May had not mustered the 48 letters by Friday Evening. MPs said a whip and a serving minister have sent letters to Brady and that several members of the Cabinet will vote against May in a secret ballot. They claim that if more than 100 MPs vote against her then a delegation of ministers will urge her to resign.

Leadsom looking for a new backstop in which only the UK only had to secure the support of Ireland - not the full 27 to withdraw from a customs union.

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Hazardswan · 17/11/2018 22:39

JRM chancellor of the Exchequer? The one who decides public spending? And tax?

We'd be so fucked.

Miljah · 17/11/2018 22:41

What's WA?

1tisILeClerc · 17/11/2018 22:41

{Isn't it illegal to source campaign funds from abroad?}
I believe so, yes.
Meaning the 'Will of the people' has a significant element of 'will of the Russian people'.
And there are qualms about running a new referendum on the basis it might be seen as undemocratic.

RedToothBrush · 17/11/2018 22:42

The Torygraph reports that there are 25 named letter writters. Goldsmith and Cash being the latest two.

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Hazardswan · 17/11/2018 22:43

Withdrawal Agreement

1tisILeClerc · 17/11/2018 22:43

Withdrawal Agreement. The draft was presented a couple of days ago (585 pages) and due to be approved (maybe) on 25 Nov IIRC.

Somerville · 17/11/2018 22:45

I don’t see how no deal could be on a PV because it is undeliverable without tearing up the GFA. (And yes I know there are politicians who want to tear up the GFA or who see that as acceptable collateral damage but if any of them were leader at that point then we wouldn’t be getting a PV anyway.) It would have to be No Deal for GB with border in Irish Sea, but some unionists (and all Loyalists, I imagine) would see that as incompatible with the GFA, so again it would weaken it.

Miljah · 17/11/2018 22:46

What's STV?

With respect to the informed and involved people on here- maybe fewer acronyms? I'm more or less 'keeping up' but I'm struggling with some of these!

Hazardswan · 17/11/2018 22:48

See that one I don't know Blush

Somerville · 17/11/2018 22:50

Single Transferable Vote.

Moussemoose · 17/11/2018 22:50

STV is a form of voting where you number your preferences.

RedToothBrush · 17/11/2018 22:51

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3426782-Westministenders-The-One-Where-We-Finally-Get-A-Leadership-Challenge?watched=1
New thread.

A touch early, but given how fast this one's going, I think we'll need it by Breakfast.

May is on Skynews in the morning.

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Quietrebel · 17/11/2018 22:53

Goldsmith and Cash being the latest two.

Goldsmith is MP of one of the country's most pro Remain constituency!

HesterThrale · 17/11/2018 22:53

I’m glad you asked, Miljah. I forget them sometimes!

Somerville · 17/11/2018 22:54

The acronyms in my last post were GFA - Good Friday agreement. And then just PV for people’s vote.

Perhaps now these posts are more topical than ever, moving so fast, and attracting new posters we could put a list of common acronyms towards the top of each new one? As a lot of us are typing on phones whilst at work or with our weans, and might not remember that acronyms make our posts a bit inscrutable.

HesterThrale · 17/11/2018 22:54

Goldsmith also has a slim majority I believe.

Miljah · 17/11/2018 23:00

Thanks for the fast moving updates, and suggesting sometimes we chuck in acronyms that make me go - huh?

I admit to one of my own WTAFIHWTBS?

What the actual chuff 😉 is happening with this Brexit 'shenanigan'? 🙄😊

RedToothBrush · 17/11/2018 23:10

Goldsmith has a tiny majority of 45 votes. But there are Ldems helpfully telling active members who don't have the 'correct views' to leave the party. So y'know they are trying their best to keep Zak.

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bofsy1 · 17/11/2018 23:11

Miljah

Brilliant, I love that WTAFIHWTBS?

kudos my friend. lol.

BigChocFrenzy · 17/11/2018 23:15

Somerville The GFA doesn't specifically forbid a hard border
and I expect that any case against the UK in the ICJ would fail

May promised to avoid a hard border, but that is not legally bi nding

In any case, any country can legally end a treaty, if it is prepared to face the consequences

The international consequences for the UK's reputation would be severe normally, but atm I'm not sure that reputation could sink much lower

Anyway, it is clear that the hardcore Leavers don't give a damn about Ireland, the Uk economy or anything else they have to wreck to get their "real" Bfexit

BigChocFrenzy · 17/11/2018 23:23

That was a typo, but "Bfexit" sounds right somehow !