Westministenders: Passing the Buck

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There's a deal.

The press are over excited.

May has united the country.

Everyone hates it.
(Apart from David Allen Green)

Parliament might yet reject it.

Nothing is yet decided and everything is still to be sorted.

Good question from Tom Brake re how TM, having threatened No Deal or No Brexit , would see no Brexit happening - election or PV? of course it goes unanswered...

Can someone explain this to me please?

The only faint chance she has of getting her deal through parliament is if MPs believe that the only alternative is no deal.

To paraphrase what May has just said:

"In years to come people will ask us [.........] just to get on with it what. the. fuck. were. you. thinking. "

Poor old Raab - he's just run full-force into the fact that we are in a weak negotiating position and have been since Article 50 was triggered without a plan, and it's finished him. Realising how dependent we are on the Dover-Calais crossing was as much "new info" has he can manage and now he's just given up and reverted to slogans.

No deal is by far the best outcome - like why do you guys want to become a vassal state of the EU?

the 'deal' makes out that UK cannot even leave CU after end of transition, why the hell would you go for that?

Raab is probable joining the opposition to the May brigade , prob attempting some kind of challenge against her

smile: a leader has to be fairly 'tough' to govern , not much use in 'nice guy' leader these days (if ever)

Financial Times market update on this mornings events:
- Sterling on course for its biggest drop in two years, trading near a daily low against the dollar and euro

I think some people have been rattled by the PMs admission that no brexit could happen.

Telegraph is reporting that JRM has put in his letter.

No deal is by far the best outcome - like why do you guys want to become a vassal state of the EU?

JRM - hopefully he's finally done so and more will follow , can't hold one's breath though as the Tories are fairly left wing these days, don't want to offend anyone etc..

On the up side, if the ERG gets its way I'll have decades of "I TOLD YOU SO, YOU MUPPETS" to spend at my leisure.

Where is Gove?

Planning who to stab in the back next I imagine.

thank you (almost) everyone. for keeping us up to date and sane amid this insanity.

I can't watch news atm (too scary) but like to keep being informed.

Gove has apparently been offered brexit Secretary.

No deal is by far the best outcome - like why do you guys want to become a vassal state of the EU

No deal would be a complete disaster for this country. Jobs lost, financial hardship for thousands, short-medium term supply chain issues impacting on essentials like food and medicine, long term price increases impacting on peoples every day lives. Great outcome

Gove is the one to watch, isn't he? After the EU Ref debacle, I can't see him pledging loyalty to anyone again until he's very clear on which way the wind is blowing.

Social media saying Gove will be brexit secretary.

1.28 usd to gpb - guess it only matters a great deal if you live abroad and get paid in GBP - otherwise it's just 'factoid engineering'

derxa - I know you are a very hard working farmer, operating in a difficult environment.

I fear that a trade deal with the USA, with the (iirc) four years of secrecy that they have demanded on the trade discussions leading to the deal (contrast that with the transparency demonstrated by the EU on the TTIP ), which include things like food labelling and allowing (US) farm subsidies, could mean the demise of UK farming

Patrick Minford, the darling of the ERG, has said that this is acceptable collateral damage

Gove at Brexit Sec - that would be one hell of a good move!

He was actually the brains behind winning us the referendum in the first place, a hope it's true, a top intellectual brain

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpetbagger

In the history of the United States, a carpetbagger was any person from the Northern United States who came to the Southern states after the American Civil War and was perceived to be exploiting the local populace. The term broadly included both individuals who sought to promote Republican politics (which favored, among other things, better treatment of freedmen), and those individuals who saw business opportunities because of the chaotic state of the local economies following the war. In practice, the term carpetbagger was often applied to any Northerner who was present in the South during the Reconstruction Era (1863–1877).

White Southerners commonly denounced carpetbaggers collectively during the post-war years, fearing they would loot and plunder the defeated South and be politically allied with the Radical Republicans. Sixty men from the North, including educated free blacks and slaves who had escaped to the North and returned South after the war, were elected from the South as Republicans to Congress. The majority of Republican governors in the South during Reconstruction were from the North.

Historian Eric Foner argues:

<span class="italic">... most carpetbaggers probably combine the desire for personal gain with a commitment to taking part in an effort "to substitute the civilization of freedom for that of slavery". ... Carpetbaggers generally supported measures aimed at democratizing and modernizing the South – civil rights legislation, aid to economic development, the establishment of public school systems.</span>

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