Westministenders: Passing the Buck

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There's a deal.

The press are over excited.

May has united the country.

Everyone hates it.
(Apart from David Allen Green)

Parliament might yet reject it.

Nothing is yet decided and everything is still to be sorted.

Bringing it back to the issue of consequences and incompetent government....

From my telecoms legal friend who, representing one of the telecoms companies involved in discussions with the government.....

Things I learned this week

1. 100% of fibre optic cable is imported so if brexiteers get their hard borders the UK's fibre broadband plans will suffer.
2. The UK government didn't know this.
3. now they do they're hoping industry can solve the problem.

Doh!

God, could you imagine Dominic 'I didn't know how imports arrive in the UK - I thought they were flown in by unicorns' Raab as PM.

Actually when I look at the calibre of the Tory MPs I can.

singing

-A deal went through cabinet but unlikely to make it through Commons

• northern Ireland minister resigned and raab
• possible no confience movement this wk from ERG but y'know they bluster alot and prob won't if it's no deal anyway
• anything else I'm lost!

Just been over to Leave EU facebook pages, they are celebrating Raab resignation, are out for May and a 'no deal' crash out real Brexit. I think we underestimate the numbers who WANT a crash out. As I understand it this is what most members of the Tory party want (because they're fucking thick). I bet Surferjet and Scaryteacher are celebrating.

Dominic Raab @DominicRaab
Today, I have resigned as Brexit Secretary. I cannot in good conscience support the terms proposed for our deal with the EU. Here is my letter to the PM explaining my reasons, and my enduring respect for her.

The minor molehill that was the setting of this paper still fails to address many massive problems. The UK is now split in several ways Remain/Leave and with the continual comments of Woman11017 that it is all 'men's' fault while refusing to acknowledge that May, Foster, Sturgeon and several in the cabinet are women, in positions of great power who are overseeing this balls up. IIRC there are about 51% women and 49% men. By the blanket demonisation and continual bickering about men they are simply adding to the poison.

What is also being ignored is that globalisation of industry has sapped 'sovereignty' from most if not all countries, as the need to trade has now brought the focus to WHERE the main industry is based. The UK is essentially a satellite country for the manufacture of most cars. It is not a major market, taken as a global view and at present it is 'convenient' to manufacture in the UK. Similarly so many other industries, including the financial services where given decent internet access the choice of location could almost be decided by the cities with the best coffee shops or bistros.
Then there is the 'UK is the best' jingoistic bollocks. Yes it is (or was) good, but not universally and is severely lacking in it's ability to look after the whole population. Others have commented (above) that Scotland and Wales do not get much of a mention in the 'deal'. Surely an indication that relationships between the 4 countries are not being considered (granted this deal is not about domestic policy, but to have no mention, especially with a possible tension of a Scottish border is not good).
Until the UK learns it is not 'top dog' and is not special (unless it were to really get behind the EU project which after 40 odd years of whinging seems unlikely) then it needs to leave and learn its place in the world.
The UK (at least parts of it) is being shown up for being nasty and racist, which in a way is curious as many areas, London, Manchester etc are relatively happy being mixed although this is probably influenced by the wealth of the areas. If there is money around, and the majority are in decently paid work, there SEEMS to be greater integration.
Whoever is in government needs to sort out the real issues in the UK and the whole Brexit is simply a sideshow but has sapped vast amounts of money away from where it needs to be. At political level the UK needs to leave and 'grow up' to learn about the changed world outside. It would be very tough but if it doesn't do this it will always be at odds with anyone it wants a relationship with. It had the opportunity to be a full part of the EU, with it's geographical and ethnic 'closeness' but it thinks it wants to walk away. Geography and ethnicity separate the UK from other 'small groupings' of countries, so the only other possibility is to be an 'add on' to the USA, Russia or China. The Empire is gone, and the UK is struggling to hold itself together as a Union. The age of integration needs to be embraced.

Has TM got the nerve to give the job to Gove. Has Gove got the nerve to take it?

There's got to be a people's vote otherwise this is madness.

Half read an article in the independent Tucker is not as enthusiastic as may at the deal but would accept it. Not that, that matters if it's voted down in HoC.

lonelyplanetmum: “It's the ones with 4 letter surnames Vara, Raab.”

... Gove and Hunt. Four letter words; words of one syllable...

The only positive I can think of in this whole farce is that someone, somewhere is writing a cracking comedy script based on real life events.
Not so much fun living through it, though.

The ERG will do ANYTHING to prevent May's deal. They know that its the default. Delay, sabotage or disrupt by any means.

Do not forget this.

With this deal, May is vulnerable because the rats are in the corner.

Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
Michael Gove being urged to quit by friends.

The environment secretary was perhaps the most supportive brexiteer in cabinet yesterday tho “with a heavy heart”, doesn’t want to bring down another PM and genuinely fears no deal

Yet I’m still assigning him a 👀 👀 rating

Dh tells me that Ian Dunt has just tweeted Define "extraordinary" while retweeting Donald Tusk's tweet If nothing extraordinary happens the summit will be on November 25

With Raab resigning, I am reminded of John Redwood’s resignation from Cabinet to put himself forward for PM and, ultimately, oust Thatcher.

A poor, third-rater with no chance making way for a serious challenge from the big names.

All those who think we can just Remain:
wait until the ECJ decides if we can UNILATERALLY revoke

If not, Hungary and probably Poland, maybe others, will veto

Wait until we know if Remain is even an option, before deciding to lobby for a People's vote

What would be the point ?
You could just give Brexiters the chance of This Deal vs No Deal - and No Deal might win

Anna Soubry MP @Anna_Soubry
Raab’s resignation marks the end of PMs Withdrawal Agreement. This is v serious the PM will clearly be considering her position. My own view is that we need a Govt of National Unity and we need it now.

What if.....

Commons votes down the deal.
May survives a confidence vote
Hangs on until ECJ ruling on unilateral revocation of A50
Revokes A50 as PM without needing a vote.

I had a dream.

Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
I’m told by a source Michael Gove has cancelled a visit to Teeside today citing personal reasons ....
I wouldn’t read TOO much into this: given the turmoil you’d cancel this sort of visit, it’s not a predictor of further behaviour

National Unity??? lol!

Very funny Anna.

Laura Kuenssberg
‏*@bbclaurak*
One former minister - ‘the revolution is eating its children’

iirc it was the French Foreign Minister who said some time ago:

"Britain Leaving was a terrible sadness; Britain Remaining now would be a catastrophe"

Jon Worth @jonworth
When on 5 Nov Raab proposed U.K. could unilaterally exit backstop (and Coveney shocked), I and many others thought he was mad.

Looking back that’s when May took control of negotiations, Raab marginalised, and resigned today.

@pmdfoster story from 5 Nov
www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/11/04/dominic-raab-has-privately-demanded-right-pull-britain-eu-backstop/

Peter Foster @pmdfoster
Correct. Actually that was final nail in coffin. The October EUCO episode I think basically signalled it would happen pretty much whether he liked it or not.

One former minister - ‘the revolution is eating its children’

The Terror ?

Revokes A50 as PM without needing a vote.

What happens if the ECJ says we can't revoke unilaterally?

The fall out would also be a huge far right surge I'm afraid.

Bah The best chance of Remain is if the PM alone revokes

either because the ECJ says she can unilaterally
or because she has bribed convinced all the other E27 to agree - that would take time to achieve and would leak

At least it is better than re-running a referendum because we hate the result

No IndyRef or maybe even GE would be safe