AIBU to think that if the government stopped or paused Brexit, it is highly unlikely there would be massive 'civil' unrest ?

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I have heard people say that if Brexit was stopped or even paused there would be riots and mass civil unrest as a result. I honestly don't think there would be, I know a lot of people would be annoyed or angry.

Would any leave voter on here seriously consider rioting ?

I have heard plenty of blathering on about 'the Anglosphere' from Leavers, by which I take it to mean the USA and the white Commonwealth. I don't really think they care too much about Kenya or Fiji or Ghana......

Peregrina - and they call JRM the MP for the 18th Century!

Come on! Catch up! We're in the 21st Century UK economy here.

You should know that in part we don't use coal because it's not economic, but politics also rears its head. I suspect at the time I studied economics as an undergraduate you were probably still in primary school. But I don't think that 40 year old knowledge makes me an expert in the way that you apparently think your 30 year old knowledge does.

Prettybird - "Although dh has pointed out that we do still have plenty of coal Oh wait , the deep mines have been closed and are now flooded and no-one wants open cast mining on their doorsteps. "

Why the hell would we open the coal mines again? We'd no more do that than start digging for flint to make stone tools. You seem to be stuck in the past.

Go look at a graph of UK coal production - it plummeted a long, long time before stocks were used up, there's plenty down there but we don't need it so why dig it up? Do you want to bring back traction engines and put them to work on the farms? Horses to replace cars maybe?

Incidently it was Labour than decimated the coal mining industry in the UK and not Thatcher.

Oh that is going to make your heads hurt.

bellinisurge - "
More whoppers for you @OutsideInTheGarden ?"

Watched about a minute of that. Didn't see anybody checking those lorries.

What did OutsideInTheGarden say that got deleated? Was it racist or threating violence or something?

@OutsideInTheGarden queried whether my war veteran parents and fought for the Nazis.
The video shows now. Not post No Deal. Do you have a problem with attention span.

Peregrina - right, now you are claiming your age and experience gives you the wisdom to know that your 40-years-past study of economics doesn't make you all knowledgeable as your claim I think I am.

I agree with you. Age and experience does bring wisdom. That's why older people were more likely to have voted to for Leave. They had lived both in and out of the EEC/EU and had seen all the pros and cons. I'd trust them if I were you.

Had fought not and fought

I'm old . My late Mum was old. We didn't vote Leave. Are we not to be trusted?

bellinisurge - "OutsideInTheGarden queried whether my war veteran parents and fought for the Nazis.
The video shows now. Not post No Deal. Do you have a problem with attention span."

So nobody looks inside those EU trucks? What stops them bringing in non-compliant goods? How does this differ from non-EU?

bellinisurge - "I'm old . My late Mum was old. We didn't vote Leave. Are we not to be trusted?"

You both didn't know what you were voting for.

See how insulting that is now?

KenDodd - "What did OutsideInTheGarden say that got deleated? Was it racist or threating violence or something?"

Typical Remainer, throwing accusations of racism and violence at Leave voters.

Typical Remainer, throwing accusations of racism and violence at Leave voters

Take yourself over to Leave EU facebook pages, follow them for a bit, the racism is disgusting. Racist posts about sending all Muslims 'home' (for example) getting hundreds and hundreds of likes with very few desenting voices. Even after Genfell fire, posters saying those people shouldn't have been here in the first place. You just dismiss it all though, ignore the racism of some of your followers.

Shall I list for you some of the racist groups that are are huge supporters of Brexit? Why is that do you think, what is it about what you are offering that appeals so much to them?

You're right: the UK leaving the EU does not in itself breach the GFA. Indeed, the GFA doesn't even mention frictionless borders - but everything within it assumes frictionless borders and no discrimination. so anything that then involves problems for trade then creates a breach. That is why NI and the land border between NI and the EU requires both the SM and the CU (unless the mythical technological solutions that no other country in the world would have tried to utilise if they exist, suddenly manifest themselves )

And feel free to throw around JIT/Quality acronyms. I've been trained/been through many of them in my (loooong ) career: Crosby TQM, Kaizen, JIT......

And for the record: I have voted in every single election (local, WM, Scottish Parliament, European Parliament) that I could since I was 18. Scotland only got its first UKIP MEP - the first and only UKIP representative in any capacity in Scotland in the 2014 elections to our eternal shame because the LibDem vote collapsed and he got in on "Last Man Standing" over the LibDem (and rather than a 3rd SNP MEP) . Prior to that, we'd had 2 SNP, 2 Labour and 1 Conservative and 1 LibDem MEP.

And you've already had a little pop at Germans yourself, they can't be trusted apparently.

KennDodd -"Take yourself over to Leave EU facebook pages, follow them for a bit, the racism is disgusting. Racist posts about sending all Muslims 'home' (for example) getting hundreds and hundreds of likes with very few desenting voices. Even after Genfell fire, posters saying those people shouldn't have been here in the first place. You just dismiss it all though, ignore the racism of some of your followers."

Ah the old guilt by association trope. I don't do facebook.

Hitler was a vegetarian therefore all vegetarians are literally Hitler.

KennDodd - "Shall I list for you some of the racist groups that are are huge supporters of Brexit? Why is that do you think, what is it about what you are offering that appeals so much to them?"

Kellogg was a vocal eugenicist therefore anyone who eats cornflakes believes black people are inferior to white people.

Excellent! We appear to be understanding your thought processes now.

As predicted, dismissal. Own your followers, Britain First, EDL, BNP, all the racist groups support you, 100% of them and you clearly have a problem with Germans yourself.

We should issue to Outside who is just a GF. The only reason I continue to engage is that there may be Lurkers who appreciate more reasoned (and fact based) responses.

Outside's responses are of themselves excellent exemplars of the attitudes that led to Leave and that still believe in the British Empire and British exceptionalism .

Soooo many inaccuracies that are easily refuted - but at the moment I'm having to read through an essay on How useful is Marx's theory of history as outlined in the Communist Maniesto for explaining the occurrence of the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917?" so that's a higher priority Make of that what you will

That's why older people were more likely to have voted to for Leave. They had lived both in and out of the EEC/EU and had seen all the pros and cons. I'd trust them if I were you.

I am perfectly happy to trust my own judgement as an over sixty Remainer (one of the hated baby boomer generation!). So were my husband and brother. Even my 93 year old MIL voted Remain. We are all more than old enough to remember what the country was like before we went into the Common Market.

Nothing you have managed to say has convinced me of the Leave arguments.

Prettybird - "You're right: the UK leaving the EU does not in itself breach the GFA. Indeed, the GFA doesn't even mention frictionless borders - "

Brilliant! We are making progress now.

"but everything within it assumes frictionless borders " - oh no! You're adding in your own made-up bits now.

"unless the mythical technological solutions that no other country in the world would have tried to utilise if they exist, suddenly manifest themselves )"

Nope. No magical technology required just basic common-or-garden customs processes and methods that are in use all over the world.

KennDodd -"As predicted, dismissal. Own your followers, Britain First, EDL, BNP, all the racist groups support you, 100% of them and you clearly have a problem with Germans yourself."

Britain First, EDL and BNP are all controlled opposition set up and run by the UK security services. Surely you don't think otherwise? Have a read around the trouble the police are in with using undercover agents infiltrating various left-wing organisations.

You lot are seeing the far-right all over the place. I've never seen a fascist in the UK. It's like something out of the McCarthy era - reds under the bed an all that except it's brownshirts.

If you want to find fascists then go to mainland Europe - theres' loads there. 36% of the French electorate voted for their National Front.