Any Brexiters who have changed your minds....?

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If you voted Brexit but would now like to remain, could you call loudly for a second referendum please?
I'm a remainer and see the obvious problems with remainers asking for a second referendum but if former Brexiters were to ask, it would have legitimacy surely.

I am looking forward to the UK actually leaving so I can happily erase MN from my computer and do something more constructive.

anonymousobserver - I think they're what Stalin called 'useful idiots'.
Indeed 1tisILeClerc's statement is truly terrifying. Good God, I'm literally shaking my head in disbelief.

Here's a quote from Mikhail Gorbachev, who knew quite a bit about these things:
“The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe.”

― Mikhail Gorbachev

{Good God, I'm literally shaking my head in disbelief.}
I thought I could hear a rattling noise.

Very interesting quote from Gorbachev. However, when considering primary sources you have to remember he had a very particular point of view. He was attempting to control a centrally controlled state and what he had failed to take into account was the EUs belief in subsidiarity.

If the Soviet Union had been genuinely federal they may have avoided some of the problems they faced.

You also don't say exactly when it was said. The when makes a massive difference when putting historical quotes into a modern political context. Without the context the quote is more or less irrelevant.

So you are terrified of a 'random' on the internet suggesting you think for yourself and search out truth, but happy to go along with the lies and incompetence of so many in the UK Government.
OK, have it your way.

Nadine Dorries wants us to leave and still keep or MEPs.

She's a leaver MP.

And you're worried about someone on MN?

*“The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe.”

― Mikhail Gorbachev*

This very quote was a key part of an article published by RT (Russia Today) in 2016. Russia has an obvious anti EU agenda as its priority is to avoid Ukraine ever joining it. I'd take that particular quote (even if genuine) with a pinch of salt.

@Quietrebel as you have proven context is everything.

Many thanks for the clarity.

My point is that most EU countries are not the same as the UK in that we are not prone to such fascism/communism and our British way of life and traditional freedoms are not as deeply culturally embedded in other EU nations.

Then try reading Travellers in the Third Reich and disabuse yourself of this notion as far as Fascism is concerned. The Upper and Upper Middle Classes were perfectly happy to support what Hitler was doing.

As for Communism - I assume that you have heard of the Cambridge spies, Burgess. McLean, Philby, and outed later Blunt and Cairncross? Philby especially was one of the worst sorts of traitors, knowing that with his establishment background he would get away with it.

BTW you are not the only one who has studied economics umpteen years ago.

@OutsideInTheGarden

Here's a quote from Mikhail Gorbachev, who knew quite a bit about these things:
“The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe.”

We know Russia doesn't like the EU already put thanks for reminding us. Maybe you could do us a list of others who don't like the EU and we'll see if they have anything in common.

I'll give you a name to start with -
Paul Golding

{British way of life}
There is a spot of diversity in this. Which is the British way of life, a young couple with a child or two juggling 4 part time jobs between them to put food on the table, or the likes of JRM with several children and a nanny?
My only point is there is no 'one size fits all'.

I voted leave and would again. I really don't think many people on here understand what's at stake.

My view is but for Project Fear (it was the remain side which told all the lies, as is obvious in retrospect), the government's illegal taxpayer-funded pro-EU propaganda pamphlet (they were not supposed to take sides) and more than a few Leave voters thinking they had no chance so why bother?, Leave would have won 60/40 at least.

The present chaos has been caused by one thing only, and that is the fact our 'negotiating' team were nothing of the sort but merely a shop front to disguise the fact that May received her so-called deal direct from Brussels. This is why she cannot change it, this is why she ambushed the cabinet at the Chequers meeting when the plan David Davis - the minister she appointed to lead the DExEU - had developed was thrown aside and one claimed to be the work of an obscure civil servant called Robbins was sprung on them from out of a clear blue sky.

The problem is that Brexit has been sabotaged from the start, not that it is in any way unreasonable. Our future as a nation state and our democracy are both in danger. May has to be sacked, and as soon as possible, her apalling deal dumped, a Brexiteer appointed to replace her and planning for WTO completed.

My experience of Russia is from a long time ago but the people I was with were pretty poor but they were nice and generous and would loved their life to be a bit easier. They loved their country but didn't love the poverty and the fact that everything was so hard.

Most leavers will never change their mind as they will believe anything they read in The Sun, Daily Mail, side of a bus etc

Oh look, the bad penny has turned up.
I too reluctantly think, with the changed situation that the UK should leave so that the brilliant minds of the Tory government can come to the fore and really lead the UK to great prosperity.
Please name any of the Tory party with ANY sort of realistic plan, or indeed anyone of any party that has a realistic plan. It needs to be good as the Empire is no more and even of the 4 countries of the UK only 2 wanted to leave.

The present chaos has been caused by Brexit. It was inevitable and it will get worse but it will never be the fault of leave voters.

Everyone else will be to blame, TM, the EU, civil servants anyone but the people who put the cross in the box.

The EU has been to blame for everything for 40 years and remainers will be to blame for the next 40.

You voted for this chaos, it was entirely predictable, it was predicted, it will get worse - but it will never be your fault.

{The EU has been to blame for everything for 40 years and remainers will be to blame for the next 40.}
Until this boil is lanced the UK shouldn't be in the EU.

Ah it's the weekend so WhollyFather bobs up for his shift. Davis was a Leaver, but he was a lazy arse who couldn't be bothered to do the job he was asked to do. But let's not blame him, lets find some Remainers to blame instead.

WhollyFather - I totally agree.

May needs to go and quick. It's a matter of national security.

1tisILeClerc - you've just lost all credibility. No wonder you don't care if the EU Army sends troops to keep us all in line - you don't even live here.

National security, my arse.

Remainers stoke up project fear?

EU troops on the street and our security is at risk? Fear mongering rubbish.

Mousemoose - please forgive me. I clearly misunderstood 1tisILeClerc's statement about the EU Army turning on UK citizens if diplomatic relations soured. It's not my fault - I'm a thick, uneducated, knuckle-dragging Little Englander, you see.

I can tell that you're not though. So perhaps you could help me to understand one thing. I've been scratching my head all day, but I still don't get it. If the EU is just a trading bloc, why does it need an army?

By the way - where do you live?

{1tisILeClerc - you've just lost all credibility.}
I am trembling with fear that I might have lost credibility on a random women's chat website. Maybe the trembling is with rage that a bunch of unthinking 'Leavers' have destroyed my family's future.

1tisILeClerc - what future? You just said upthread that you don't even live here.

anonymous
Life is full of mysteries, what I do and where I live can remain so.