Any Brexiters who have changed your minds....?

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If you voted Brexit but would now like to remain, could you call loudly for a second referendum please?
I'm a remainer and see the obvious problems with remainers asking for a second referendum but if former Brexiters were to ask, it would have legitimacy surely.

BorisBogtrotter - "The document, if you had read and understood it, actually shows that EU inter trade has increased, but the ratio has decreased."

Yep. That's what I said.

"Which means that trade outside of the EU is growing at a faster rate, but this is to be expected because of convergence. In fact what the document shows is that all countries other than the United Kingdom, exported more goods to partners within the EU than outside the EU. Which is backed up as 44% of UK exports go to EU countries. "

Now we're getting closer to understanding why the UK, as a far more global economy, is a really bad fit for the EU. Excellent. Class is over for today, I've got a dog to walk.

KennDodd -"And do you think this study means you are better informed that Nobel prize winning economics and 90% of professional economist's who think Brexit will bad for the UK economy?"

There is no Nobel Prize for Economics. Perhaps you are confusing it with the Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel?

KennDodd - Are those non-Nobel prize-winning economists the same ones who predicted economic disaster if the UK didn't join the Euro?

Are they the same ones that never saw the 2008 financial crash coming?

Just asking.

BorisBogtrotter - "Agreed, its rather interesting that someone with such an important job would be able to post all day and all weekend, as well as late into the night last night."

My job doesn't involve constant attention. On days like today I'm just mostly screen-watching and have time to post on the internet, walk my dog, do the washing, have cups of tea etc. I like my job :-)

QuietRebel - "@Boris - he might want to come across as an expert, but is very probably an export from somewhere cold 😁"

I'm not the one called Boris!

KennDodd - "You've said you know 150 leave voters, all of whom would now vote for 'no deal' (I believe it was you please forgive me if not).

How do you know how so many people voted and what they want now? Assuming you are being honest the only way I could imagine somebody could know this would be if they were a member of some Leave supporting group?"

I talk to people, down my local pub we are about 80% for Leave. I go to Mass and talk to people there, I talk to lots of dog walkers on my travels, I have neighbours and friends (foreign ones too!). I'm a fairly sociable person and I've found that other people often bring up politics, particularly the EU without any prompting. I do live in an area with very high immigration and where nearly 60% voted Leave.

KennDodd - write a list of how many people you know well enough to talk to. Surely you can get to well over 100? I'm not boasting or trying to out-Facebook friend someone type of thing but unless you are a bit of a recluse then most people could reach 100 I would have thought? Hell, I usually have about 15 different people in my house every day (not random delivery people either).

Perhaps I am unusually gregarious though?

twofingerstoeverything - "Outside has been posting all weekend and all day today!
Yes, he has been a very, very busy boy indeed."
I've done a days work today as well as posting here - well at least what passes as a day's work for me. I get paid anyway.
To whoever said I claimed to have an important job - I've never said any such thing. Like many people I have a fairly meaningless job in the grand scheme of things.

Ooh! Dinner time! the dog will have to wait.

I think we all forgot to say WELCOME TO MUMSNET to Outside!
Where are our manners? Especially since he's gone to SOOOO much trouble to be so prolific in his postings.

Darn, too late. Shift’s over

No, it's just dinner time

That’s a long dinner. Or maybe a long dog walk.

That was one hell of a shift! I hope the pay is good. Quantity over quality but being bombarded with bullshit is wearing. Well done to those who continued to wade through - I was losing the will to live.

Is it better just not to engage though? I know it’s hard to leave false statements uncontested but that was relentless.

Anyone got a cute kitten picture to lighten the mood?

Out of interest, which area had high immigration and a Leave vote? The only one I can think of would be the Boston area. Most Leave areas had negligible immigration and most Remain areas have quite high immigration.

Hats off to all the rebuffers (if that's a word) - I'm all for reasoned argument but it does the leave cause no good whatsoever to have such a GF peddling half arsed nonsense

David Davis MP was for me the very best Brexit Secretary we could EVER of had, his grasp of the issues is frankly astounding and he has certainly changed my mind about him!

"If we need to leave with no deal and negotiate a free trade agreement during the transition period, so be it. Let’s be clear and honest and tell the EU that’s what we are prepared to do"

www.conservativehome.com/platform/2018/11/david-davis-there-has-long-been-an-alternative-to-this-discredited-draft-deal-its-the-canada-style-plan-that-tusk-and-barnier-offered-us.html

Jason, this weather is far too cold to be in the buff!

At the rate we are going we will need 'our Graham' from Cilla's Blind date, to remind us of the howlers.

Peregrina No, it wasn't an anti-Cameron vote. I genuinely believe the EU constrains us and I am unclear what we gain from it. However, I was naive in that I did not understand how difficult they would make it for us to leave.
I still would prefer to not be in the EU and to be like Canada or Norway. I don't know if that is possible now.

I did not understand how difficult they would make it for us to leave.

It was May’s self imposed red lines of no FoM, no regulatory alignment, no ECJ, no financial contribution etc that took Norway off the table and made a Canada style deal the only option on offer. And that was offered by the EU, except the UK wanted to cherry pick bits of the SM that weren’t on offer.

LuluJakey, how are the EU making it hard for us to leave?

What have they done that you think they shouldn’t have?

What do you think they could have done differently?

“The EU making it hard” is a great sound bite.

Lulu
Yes the EU does constrain all it's members a bit but that is part of a small price to 'pay' for membership.
No small country can be totally unconstrained and just do and demand what it likes. Germany, France, Holland might love not to have to help out some of the weaker economies but they appreciate that to improve life for everyone is the best way forward.
If you live in a very divided country/area where you have great wealth and great poverty next to each other, the wealthy would want to live in gated communities with extra security to 'stop' the poor from breaking into houses to steal food. Rearranging by taxes so the wealthy pay a bit more so that the poor don't NEED to steal food would reduce the tension between the two. Obviously this is an extreme scenario, but not too far from reality. Think of the 'British aristocracy' of say 100 years ago with big houses and servants, many of the 'workers ' were treated appallingly. Ideologies where everyone is (supposedly) equal is also too far in the opposite direction as some incentive to 'better' yourself is good for society.
A 'poor' person who might take an interest in the way some aspect of industry works who spent hours researching in their local library and now internet can easily be as intelligent and capable of making good business decisions as the bosses of multinationals, it is their situation that is the limit.

Many of us who voted leave did so as a form of quiet protest (same as what happened in USA with Trump).

I haven't changed my mind and want to leave with "no deal". There is no dealing to be done. We want out.