Corbyn - We can't stop Brexit

[SoloD]

Corbyn (just let me remind you all that his highest educational attainment was two Es at A level) has been interviewed by a German Newspaper Der Speigel.

In it he was asked about Brexit, his response was this.

“We can’t stop it,” he said. “The referendum took place. Article 50 has been triggered. What we can do is recognize the reasons why people voted Leave.”

Leaving aside the fact that yes we can stop Brexit at any time. Does that not clearly show where his thinking is that. He is a Brexiteer, he is on the same side as Farage, JRM, Boris etc. And we will do serious damage to this country AGAINST the wish of the majority of people.

The question is what will Labour MPs do?

Corbyn (just let me remind you all that his highest educational attainment was two Es at A level) has been interviewed by a German Newspaper Der Speigel.

It was the Bullingdon Club with the finest education in the land that brought us to this point.

Leaving aside the fact that yes we can stop Brexit at any time. Does that not clearly show where his thinking is that. He is a Brexiteer, he is on the same side as Farage, JRM, Boris etc. And we will do serious damage to this country AGAINST the wish of the majority of people.

It is pretty much accepted, I believe by both main parties that Brexit will damage the economy but it is what people voted for. It is 5 months until Brexit day other EU member states have spent millions preparing for Brexit as well as enduring the insults from the UK. It is naive to suggest Brexit could now be stopped, the UK stay in and the EU simply say "don't worry about the millions we've wasted welcome back to the club". I believe that ship has sailed - it might have been possible 12-18 months ago.

The question is what will Labour MPs do?

Respect the democratic decision of the party membership?

If Labour opposed Brexit it would be political suicide.

I'm pro remain, but I recognise the strength of pro Brexit feeling in many Labour heartlands, and the Party cannot turn their back on them. I don't know what the answer is, but as things stand the opposition cannot do anything to stop Brexit, only to push for the best deal they can for everyone.

And equating academic qualifications to competency is about as arrogant as you can get. Makes you look a bit of a tosser.

There is no legal impediment from us withdrawing Article 50 and carrying on before. We keep the rebate, we keep our opt outs, yes we may get some dirty looks but that is it.

He is a Brexiteer, he is on the same side as Farage, JRM, Boris etc.

ODFOD. He's not been pro EU in the past, but he recognises the value of a continuing partnership with them. Bollocks is he on the same side as the lying, scaremongering likes of Farage etc.

There is no legal impediment from us withdrawing Article 50 and carrying on before.

What response has Mrs May given to that idea?

If the UK were to remain it should lose all the rebates immediately, in partial reparation to the wastage of so much EU money that could have been spent on so many worthwhile things.
Realistically the UK has to leave now as it has shown at political level that it is not prepared to join in the EU project wholeheartedly, and has been sniping since the outset of joining the EEC rather than rolling their sleeves up and getting stuck in.
At the time of the Vote I was for Remain. When Leave 'won' (get over it!) my thoughts and comments were that the UK needs some damn good negotiators to make leaving work. That's a major 'fail' then!

Aren't you the one that has previously campaigned for Boris Johnson @SoloD? You voted in the shit shower that has brought us to this mess?

If you're looking for someone to blame for Brexit, look on your own doorstep!

Yes I did, for Mayor of London. I now regret it obviously. And I am trying to repair the damage.

I have left the Conservatives and if Labour were offering a #peoplesvote would definitely vote for them. I would vote for Corbyn if this was on offer, as even he could not cause the economic damage that Brexit is bringing in.

{ We keep the rebate, we keep our opt outs, yes we may get some dirty looks but that is it.}
Possibly at a political level yes BUT.
The writing for manufacturing and services at an EU and international level has been on the wall for over 2 years and many will have heeded BoJo's 'F* business and have planned accordingly, basically leave the UK.
There have been so many stupid and undiplomatic utterances by senior heads of the government over the last 2 years which back up BoJo's comment and if you are a company that relies on JIT and where a day's downtime costs £60 Million you think long and hard about wanting to stay and invest more in the UK.
It will be the lack of trust that this exercise has brought out that will 'kill' the UK. If you get bad service from a restaurant, you will tend not to return. This will happen on a grand scale and is probably now far beyond what the UK gov can 'fix'.

@1tisILeClerc there is no legal mechanism to remove our rebate. Unless you have evidence to the contrary?

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Yes I agree that until March 29 we legally keep the rebates, but there will be some serious 'wrangling' going on.

I recognise the strength of pro Brexit feeling in many Labour heartlands, and the Party cannot turn their back on them

Brexit will damage the Labour parties so called heartlands far more than middle England Tory areas, its now up to Corbyn to show some leadership explain that they are wrong, these are the reasons why and to put forward the plans and ideas how Labour will improve their lives.

However to answer the OP, it is absolutely amazing that having voted in a Tory party that promised a referendum, you now blame Labour for not putting it right
Labour have not the numbers to stop brexit, only the Tories can do this and i strongly suspect they will and you know what? i bet they'll get the credit for it too and Labour will once again be outmanoeuvred.

I think Labour could buy off the voters in their heartlands if they promised to tackle austerity.

Leave won and they can't ignore that and call another referendum because people have changed their mind. I wouldn't have any faith in Labour. They are useless.

I am a remainer but we cannot stop Brexit now.

I prefer to crash out with no deal and the beg ask nicely to rejoin after we have eaten some humble pie. Otherwise Brexiters are never going to learn their lesson. We English are full of it and need to be brought down a peg or two.

I can't for the likes of me see why another Referendum can't be called. We have regular General and Local elections, and most people accept that this is the right thing to do.

Corbyn and several others need to go.
What the Tories have done with their disgusting antics since the original vote has put the UK into a whole new scenario. They have seriously crippled a fair chunk of the UK 's means of creating wealth, by pissing off many large EU based manufacturers and most likely many significant investors from other parts of the world. The entrepreneurs in the UK have been thrown to the wolves and there will have to be some serious thinking about what happens next. At the time of the vote 'traditional' political tinkering by either party could have 'solved' or at least alleviated a significant amount of what the UK, outside the South East were desperate for, Investment and a greater sense of fairness. Now it will take a lot more than a bit of tinkering to sort things out as a significant chunk of the incoming investment will disappear so whoever is in charge will have to be very radical and make a lot of changes to actually turn the ship around. Don't forget that ANY deal with the EU will be on worse terms than we had. Even calling it off by revoking A50, we are still worse off as we have lost the trust of the worlds business. The UK is going to have to fight damn hard to get new investment, partly because of the Boris 'f* business' and the very undiplomatic behaviour of the 'posh boys' (and Mrs May) .
Manufacturers will be directly up against the likes of China and Bangladesh whose workforce are not generally paid well.

I am a remainer but we cannot stop Brexit now

Thats just defeatist, we can stop Brexit and we should do all in power to do so.

Leaving with no-deal will be terrible for the UK both economically and for our future influence in the World.

Likely as not people will die and they'll be no rejoining, pure fantasy - if they don't particularly want us to revoke art50, they'll hardly be waiting with open arms in a year or two, it would also be a national humiliation.

{ it would also be a national humiliation.}
That part is almost done now. The whole world has watched the UK make a complete arse of itself for over 2 years.

The whole thing is self inflicted. The government can't agree with itself and Labour opposition is neither really opposing or collaborating to get out of the mess. It may sound defeatist but when you have UK's leaders fighting on the inside, there is not a great deal you can do. If it was really 'the people' against the government then a 'revolution' of some sort could be in order, but 'the people' are also divided.
In some ways it would be good if the EU or 'someone' would knock a few heads together and demand a solution, but that is not in the EUs remit.

Corbyn if, god forbid, he became PM. Of course he could. He doesn't want to. He loves the chaos and hopes his dubious version ofLabour would triumph from it.
Dickhead.

then a 'revolution' of some sort could be in order,
What form would this revolution take, LeClerc?

The UK is totally fkd if there is no deal. That is the reality.

Honestly the brains of Government are elsewhere, no one seems to know what will happen.

Anyway, my view is there will be a deal, the DUP will be kicked to touch because they really have to be now.

So I'm looking forward to the eleventh hour deal that we all know happened months ago anyway.

bellini My thoughts exactly.

Corbyn needs to be reminded that most Labour MPs, most Labour Party members and most Labour Party voters support Remaining in the EU, even more now than in 2016.

It is time he was sacked and replaced with someone like Keir Starmer who has acknowledged that Article 50 can be extended or retracted and there is an overwhelming democratic case for a People's vote with the option to Remain in the EU.