Corbyn - We can't stop Brexit

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Corbyn (just let me remind you all that his highest educational attainment was two Es at A level) has been interviewed by a German Newspaper Der Speigel.

In it he was asked about Brexit, his response was this.

“We can’t stop it,” he said. “The referendum took place. Article 50 has been triggered. What we can do is recognize the reasons why people voted Leave.”

Leaving aside the fact that yes we can stop Brexit at any time. Does that not clearly show where his thinking is that. He is a Brexiteer, he is on the same side as Farage, JRM, Boris etc. And we will do serious damage to this country AGAINST the wish of the majority of people.

The question is what will Labour MPs do?

Frank is correct, Brexit is 100% Tory fuck-up, in no way shape or form can it be laid at Labours door, they are not in power, its that simple.
eg they campaigned long an hard to get UC stopped to no avail.

They do not have the MPs to stop Brexit and tbh if Corbyn came out with a demand for another vote, it would produce the opposite affect, no self respecting tory is going to support any policy he backs, the least he says on the subject the better.

Emily Thornberry today is saying a 1st vote on the deal would be a right and proper thing to do but we are not there yet, which is true, there is no deal supported in Cabinet/DUP/Tory party, let alone agreed by the EU.

Any agreement that can get past that bunch of knuckle draggers won't be agreed by the EU, so what then?

Of course we can stop Brexit if we want to. I have slightly better A-level results than Corbyn, I even got a B grade in one, so I should know.

Austerity is Greece is not entirely the EU's making. Had the Greek government been better at managing it's finances, and collecting all the taxes it was due, it would not be in such a bad state.
Historically the EU was intended to be in Strasbourg, being on a fought over border between France and Germany. As the intention was to include most of Europe it was felt more suitable to not be in the 2 richest countries, and Belgium (Brussels) was chosen. I have now forgotten why they decamp to Strasbourg for some meetings though.
The EU regeneration fund does a lot to help deprived areas as many in the UK are happy to forget, but as with everything there are limits to what can be done. The UK is already complaining about 'handouts to foreigners' (conveniently forgetting the UK receives a lot itself) but the EU does not have a mandate to oversee poor management by individual governments as it is not interfering with their Sovereign rights in that respect. You have to either accept a 'superstate' which none of the members want, or accept that the individual governments take their own responsibility. The UK has had within it's power the ability to have the best healthservice in the world, and have no deprived cities or people needing foodbanks, it is the UK sovereign government that has screwed up, in a similar way to that of Greece, although maybe not as badly yet.

But @jasjas1973 Corbyn didn't fight for Remain so in that shape and form I bloody well add him to my list of people to blame. Cameron for giving us an ill thought out process to vote and then all the fucking liars which included Labour MPs for their performance in the referendum.
If people are trying to recast this forthcoming bollocks as a Tory thing they are wasting their time.
No amnesia here.

The appealing slogans of the leave campaign won the vote. No amount of "establishment" MP's coming out in support of remain was going to change that. If Milliband was unelectable because Cameron had an appealing housing policy then the same argument holds for stay in the EU (status quo) or 350 mil a week for the NHS.

I don't think anyone denies that Brexit is going to make the country poorer. Nobody on the Channel 4 programme last week of any political persuasion was promising an economic windfall. The argument now is about the legitimacy of the vote and the democratic mandate.

I am in Ireland at the moment.
Several people have asked us what the heck the UK thought it was doing.

I do blame Corbyn because he likes to hide the fact that he is rabidly Pro Brexit
remember the video of him calling for A50 to be invoked on the Friday after the vote
He does not give half a shit about the damage that Brexit will do to most of the country.
A better Labour leader would have held the Tories to account
before and after the referendum.

The Tories are a shower of shit
but Corbyn is bad for Labour and bad for Britain.
Keir Starmer as Labour leader would scare the bejeesus out of the Tories

Seems to me there is no hope for UK anymore. Damned if they leave and there's no hint of staying either. Pig headed nonsense, and the people are not being looked out for. I am baffled TBH at the nonchalance surrounding this. But what can I do?

I cannot believe that the electorate and people in general are actually accepting of the fact that the UK will be greatly harmed by Brexit. Well no one has come along to tell me of the benefits anyway, even to this day!

It’s a disaster- and of course corbyn deserves his place in history as a guy who helped it happen.

What the hell is he talking about? Didn't Parliament just vote themselves sweeping powers that let them do exactly what they want?

Of course they can stop Brexit if they wanted to.

Those Henry VIII powers, in the good old days, would have been used long before now to round up every greedy traitor that had been colluding with Russia and have them at Tyburn quicker than you could say "Hang Draw and Quarter".

All they have to do if they want to stop it is to go on National Television as a cross party coalition and tell people that the Referendum was infiltrated by foreign powers that do not have British interests at heart; it's become obvious that Brexit would be wreck the UK - give some examples - so we are staying put.

That takes a decent, strong Leaders, though. And we're desperately short of those at the moment.

Academic qualifications are a measure of critical and analytical skills, skills which jeremy corbyn conspicuously lacks. This lack is one of the main reasons he is such an ineffective leader of the opposition, and also one of the reasons he is unable to unite his party behind him.

Ed Milliband was noted as being left of centre. It was David who was thought to appeal to the centre. Yvette Cooper would be a far more effective leader than jeremy corbyn.

I am really agog that jeremy corbyn thinks the way to resolve the Brexit debate is to fight another election following whatever catastrophe ensues next spring. There is no question in my mind that Labour would lose.

Academic qualifications are a measure of critical and analytical skills
How do you explain Boris Johnson and David Cameron then ?

Academic qualifications are a measure of critical and analytical skills
How do you explain Boris Johnson and David Cameron then ?

The fact that their conceit, which springs from different roots, overwhelmed their judgment does not mean that academic qualifications are not a measure of critical and analytical skills.

Corbyn has never wanted to stop Brexit.

I would have retained a smidgen of respect for him if he'd been honest about being a Leaver from the start, but he wasn't. He pretended to be a Remain while at every point possible sabotaging Labour's Remain campaign.

He's an arse and a liar and a terrible politician. (And I'm a Labour voter.)

Again the electorate is forgotten - there is no huge shift over to remain. Coming out against Brexit is a sure fire way to make Labour unelectable - under any leader.

I read somewhere that because older people voted Leave in far greater numbers the fact that many of them have since died means that if the referendum was held tomorrow Remain would win.

I think many people voted Leave because they wanted to give Cameron's government a kicking. They confused the austerity caused by the Tories with the EU. I also think that some people thought it was more 'patriotic' to vote Leave. Not realising the damage it will cause to this country they voted to Leave in the same way they would support the England football team. I think many people do have a better understanding now.

And finally I think the wording on the ballot paper was unhelpful. Remain is such a wet word.

Why would any politician allow their A level results on their wiki page.

What?! You don't "allow" anything on your wiki page. It's not up to you.

The fact that their conceit, which springs from different roots, overwhelmed their judgment does not mean that academic qualifications are not a measure of critical and analytical skills.

I don't think that getting into a good university after 14 years of intensive preparation at expensive private schools which exist for that very purpose necessarily shows "critical and analytical" ability.

I'm not suggesting that they are stupid, but Johnson in particular has that particular gift of communicating that does not necessarily go hand in hand with, and can often hide a lack of, genuine critical analysis. He has a good memory and he is cultured, but that does not make him an expert at anything and he is hampered by repeatedly overestimating his own ability.

CallMeDave strikes me as being less cultured but a bit less superficial.

Keir Starmer as Labour leader would scare the bejeesus out of the Tories

Do you think so? I genuinely had high hopes for him - I'm a sucker for an expert with a social conscience and a sense of public duty - but I have been horribly disappointed. I find him very wishy-washy and very unconvincing when he speaks in public - that might have something to do with the fact this his job requires him to be dishonest. He looks permanently embarrassed and so he should be.

FFS we've got the worst PM this country has seen since the 1930s and you folk blame Corbyn....

Labour will never get elected now. Corbyn's blown it.

No, I blame all of them. Corbyn gets some of the blame. We're in the most stupid situation for a century with a mediocre PM. She's not the worst for a century.

Most politicians closely monitor and adjust wiki pages. Think about it. They can and do request information to be removed for numerous reasons

Rubbish. They can get libellous statements or untruths removed. Wiki isn't a marketing platform and an politician attempting to whitewash his page would get in trouble. Grant Shapps, former Tory party chair, got into hot water for doing this. Wikipedia rightly takes a very dim view of it.