Corbyn - We can't stop Brexit

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Corbyn (just let me remind you all that his highest educational attainment was two Es at A level) has been interviewed by a German Newspaper Der Speigel.

In it he was asked about Brexit, his response was this.

“We can’t stop it,” he said. “The referendum took place. Article 50 has been triggered. What we can do is recognize the reasons why people voted Leave.”

Leaving aside the fact that yes we can stop Brexit at any time. Does that not clearly show where his thinking is that. He is a Brexiteer, he is on the same side as Farage, JRM, Boris etc. And we will do serious damage to this country AGAINST the wish of the majority of people.

The question is what will Labour MPs do?

{What form would this revolution take, LeClerc?}
I would never advocate any form of violence so it would have to be something 'passive' but it would need to be something 'big' to make the government take notice.
There are so many little problems out there. Russian, American and probably 'other' influences who see turmoil in the UK as a useful diversion for even bigger plans. Although there have obviously been mistakes in the past, but the civil service behind the government of the day have usually run a well ordered ship and it is peculiar that private secretaries of, for example the NI minister, Raab and others have not outlined the problems of their jobs and briefed accordingly. The UK was well known for pragmatism and being 'statesmanlike' and it has all gone out of the window. You or I might like to get a scratchcard to try and win a few quid. The likes of some members of the ERG probably do similar but using many millions of other peoples money as a form of 'entertainment' to keep themselves amused because once you have a few tens of millions in your bank account life probably gets a bit boring, knowing you can walk into any shop any buy any item, or indeed the whole shop.
I really have no idea what is going on, but it is certainly very unpleasant and I don't like it.

Ah fk it at this stage, there is no one supporting those who think staying in the EU is a good thing.

But they have no counter argument for leaving really. Anyway....

I've been watching the ROI on this. They have played a blinder.

But they are probably wary of the Colonial bullying too. But seem to have veered away from that also. Fair dues.

It is EU/UK and NI here. Not UK and Ireland.

Not sure what you are trying to say Bofsy1 but NI and Scotland voted to remain in the EU.

TBH, if the UK did do a people's vote and decided to Remain, then the rest of Europe might well think that the whole farcical endeavour would at least serve as a discouragement to any homegrown leaver movements for decades to come. "Look, it didn't even work for them!"

In that sense it'd be pretty good for Europe overall.

Support for the EU by most other countries is well over 60% with only Hungary and Poland being interested in leaving. Even Germany with a troublesome far right element is not thinking of leaving.

@1tisILeClerc

Roi is not an issue. In fact that country is EU and always will be but is being denigrated..

But anyway, Brexit is total shit and everyone knows this.

Amazing how tolerant Britain is in the face of what is coming towards them. But no matter. Must make the EU scared of us. Yeah right.

Still amazed at the level of anger toward Corbyn, he cannot stop brexit, he isn't in Government and May has a working majority with the DUP, he is quite irrelevant in all this.

He can call for a 2nd vote & May can completely ignore him. in fact by wanting such a vote, its less likely any Tory will support this move as it would be seen as a JC policy and to be avoided at all costs!

Direct your anger at the tossers who have bought this mayhem to our doorsteps........ the TORIES.

He loves the chaos and hopes his dubious version ofLabour would triumph from it.

The dubious version of Labour that built the NHS?

Direct your anger at the tossers who have bought this mayhem to our doorsteps........ the TORIES.

Agree. I can't quite believe that the Tories who brought us to this point over the course of 25 years of squabbling get a free pass. As do the Lib Dems who with Vince Cable as leader do not exactly inspire confidence as a anti Brexit voice.

We can and should stop Brexit. It will be a disaster.

{ It will be a disaster.}
Not completely. The ERG, Mrs May and others will be flicking through the 'exclusive houses for sale' in Barbados and fashionable parts of Switzerland to spend their new found wealth (your money) on.
Disaster capitalism on a grand scale.
There was an article linked yesterday on MN about Mr Mellon /Banks and their 'money' from Russia in the 1990s showing that the right connections and deals can make you a fortune. OK not without risk but to many it is a form of gambling, for fun.

Agree. I can't quite believe that the Tories who brought us to this point over the course of 25 years of squabbling get a free pass. As do the Lib Dems who with Vince Cable as leader do not exactly inspire confidence as a anti Brexit voice.

You are missing the point.

The Tories get plenty of criticism for brexit, but they were at least elected on a pro Brexit manifesto, so you can reasonably say that they are doing what they said they would do - albeit they are implementing a terrible idea about as badly and incompetently as it would be possible to implement it.

Labour OTOH (i) is not constrained by a manifesto (ii) has a very large remain majority and (iii) is supposed to be in opposition not just weakly wafting a hand and shrugging a shoulder every time someone suggests that they might want to stand up to the Tories.

Labour's absence at a time of constitutional crisis is a disgrace.

As for the LibDems, they've done what they can, from a position of very little political leverage. I don't see that any blame can be attached to them for brexit.

It comes to something when apart from a few maverick voices most of the criticism of May's Brexit plans have come from within her own party.

It pains me to say but when it comes to Brexit, Jo fucking Johnson has been more critical, more honest and has more moral authority than Keir Starmer (of whom I had great hopes. I was wrong.)

Corbyn 's pathetic attempt to ape Michael Foot's coat at the Remembrance Service event just shows what a ridiculous also ran he is. Foot was a decent bloke, a veteran and an intellectual- totally unsuited as party leader. Corbyn is just a poseur and a useful idiot for some nasty causes.

Corbyn 's pathetic attempt to ape Michael Foot's coat at the Remembrance Service event just shows what a ridiculous also ran he is.

Being reduced to critcising someones dress sense because Corbyn hasn't "saved" the UK from a mess entirely of the Tories making is abit pitiful really.

Using similar criticisms (on Corbyn) you'd expect to find in pro Brexit newspapers is embarrassing.

Remember too that Labour imposed a three line whip on its MPs to vote for A50

Despite that, a 5th of its MPs still had the courage to vote against it If I lived in England, I might vote for them - and only them.

As it is, at least I don't have the dilemma of finding a party who is unequivocally pro the EU

Corbyn is the biggest brexiteer around! I thought everyone knew this.

When you think about it, pro-Brexit can be seen as a very left wing position

I criticise the substance of Corbyn (or lack of) all the time on here. The coat thing was deliberate. And pathetic.

As for "this is a Tory mess" - you've obviously fallen for that notion too. If Corbyn has the hoards of support he allegedly has, he could have mobilised it for Remain. He could've sucked it up and shared a platform with Cameron to say "this is fucking dangerous stupidity. So fucking dangerous and stupid that I am willing to share a platform with this twat". He didn't. He, as usual, smiled his beatific smile and watched his actual goal - chaos - come to fruition. Fucker is a Brexiteer and always had been.

The Tories get plenty of criticism for brexit, but they were at least elected on a pro Brexit manifesto, so you can reasonably say that they are doing what they said they would do - albeit they are implementing a terrible idea about as badly and incompetently as it would be possible to implement it.

I can't fully agree with this. The 2015 Manifesto talked of a commitment to the Single Market as well as offering a Referendum. It also talked of enfranchising overseas British passport holders, so that was two out of three commitments reneged on.

The 2017 Manifesto was on a Brexit ticket, and May lost her majority, which is causing her problems right now. I would definitely argue that the hard Brexit she was offering was not supported.

I do agree that Corbyn is a complete disappointment - there are sufficient Labour voters who are against May's version of Brexit, so why on earth is he pandering to the Leave vote?

The coat thing was deliberate. And pathetic.

Do you realise how ridiculous this sounds?

He could've sucked it up and shared a platform with Cameron to say "this is fucking dangerous stupidity.

Cameron called the referendum in an attempt to lance the eurosceptic boil from the Tory party and to stave off UKIP. The Tories then and now, under May are thinking only about themselves, not the country. Attempting to pin the clusterfuck of British politics since 2016 on Corbyn is rewriting history.

Not pinning it Corbyn. Just saying it's not just the Tories who are the political culprits here. Slavishly absolve Labour under Corbyn if it makes you happy.
I'm old. I've seen this shitty behaviour before. It kept the Tories (particularly Thatcher) in power and blighted this country.

I've seen this shitty behaviour before. It kept the Tories (particularly Thatcher) in power and blighted this country.

Do you not realise that some of leave voters complaints - job losses, communities left behind stem from the neo liberal/globalised politics that the Tories promoted in the 1980's? The same policies that the Tories or "New" Labour would happily continue.

There is only hard brexit or remain. There is no soft landing Brexit that saves the backsides of middle class remainers and still throws the poor/left behind under a bus.

On the one hand I am asked to believe that Corbyn is an inept Brexiteer incapable of governing and on the other he is the only politician in the UK capable of stopping Brexit.

Corbyn hating remainers may wish to reflect on how different the country would be if Milliband had won only 3 short years ago.

Do you realise that. a half decent Labour in the 80s would have stopped Thatcher.
I was there.