Corbyn - We can't stop Brexit

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Corbyn (just let me remind you all that his highest educational attainment was two Es at A level) has been interviewed by a German Newspaper Der Speigel.

In it he was asked about Brexit, his response was this.

“We can’t stop it,” he said. “The referendum took place. Article 50 has been triggered. What we can do is recognize the reasons why people voted Leave.”

Leaving aside the fact that yes we can stop Brexit at any time. Does that not clearly show where his thinking is that. He is a Brexiteer, he is on the same side as Farage, JRM, Boris etc. And we will do serious damage to this country AGAINST the wish of the majority of people.

The question is what will Labour MPs do?

I wish Milliband had won. We wouldn't have this shit.

You and me, bellini.

Corbyn is in a position to have a crack at stopping this - uniquely so.?But as an inept Brexiteer he doesn't want to.
Might as well believe in Santa Claus. But if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy, keep in believing in Him.

I also wish Yvette Cooper had beaten the blessed One in the Labour leadership competition. Christ, things are so bad, I wish Bandwagon Burnham had beaten the blessed One. Either of them as leader would have done a decent Remain campaign and, if they'd lost and we were still heading over the cliff, either one of them would have galvanised Parliament to stop this.

I see the electorate is forgotten in all of this. If traditional Labour is so unelectable why did Milliband not win in 2015, he was about as "centrist" as they come?

Either of them as leader would have done a decent Remain campaign and, if they'd lost and we were still heading over the cliff, either one of them would have galvanised Parliament to stop this

More wishful thinking. How would they galvanise MP's in leave voting areas to back remaining? Again the electorate is forgotten - there is no huge shift over to remain. Coming out against Brexit is a sure fire way to make Labour unelectable - under any leader.

Corbyn is not "traditional Labour ". More myth making by Corbynistas. His "version " of Labour has never been in power.

Milliband didn't win because he was personally unconvincing to the electorate. And Cameron offered the referendum which was his version of Thatcher's "buy your own council house". Looks like a lovely idea until you see what it really means.
At least Milliband kept the party's antisemites in check. They have free rein now.

Think we'll have to disagree there. I've no interest in attacking opposition parties when it is the government - asleep at the wheel sending the UK over a cliff. Without large shift in public opinion over to remain nothing really changes. Any referendum that remain wins by a small margin still leaves the country divided and more Tory governments. I suspect some remain voters can live with austerity but not being stripped of their EU citizenship.

“I can't for the likes of me see why another Referendum can't be called. We have regular General and Local elections, and most people accept that this is the right thing to do”

How regularly should there’s be an EU referendum?

I saw a headline about a Milliband earlier today, didn't read it though.
I have a horrible feeling that the country simply cannot afford to be out of the EU as to 'solve' the many problems, and with the almost certain departure of significant manufacturing and service sector income there is insufficient cash left in the kitty and the UK is too limited in useful natural resources. Thus it would have to borrow massively. Part of the problem is that much of the 'family silver' has already been sold, so there is no underlying foundation, and in that respect we come somewhere on a parr with Ghana. One solution, like many of the poorer nations is to get help from the Chinese. Great in some respect, but the UK would then be permanently indebted, as I believe even a significant part of the USA is. The Chinese model of 'world domination' is a bit more subtle (at the outset) compared to most, but effective nonetheless.

". I suspect some remain voters can live with austerity but not being stripped of their EU citizenship."
No idea what this means.

It isn't a party thing. Foolish to fall for the idea that it is.

Milliband didn't win because he was personally unconvincing to the electorate.

How would Cooper or Burnham or anyone else be convincing? On a remain ticket that divides half the country? New Labour's inability to tackle the Tories neo liberal agenda is part of the reason we are where we are.

No idea what this means.

It means that until some remain voters accept why leave voters voted the way they did nothing changes in the long run. People fed up with austerity and being left behind are not going to be won over by centrist politicians. Wealthier remainers who have blindly followed the neo liberal consensus over the last 40 years need to wake up.

Cooper or even Burnham are more likely to appeal to the centre ground. What with the "no photos shaking hands with terrorist " thing.
I bet Labour would have won the last election and stopped this childish chaos if either of them had been leader.

These diddums leave voters could read as well as I can and see they were being played by disaster capitalists. But they didn't. And we are stuck with this shit.
I blame them all equally and do not reserve my blame for the rich ones.

I'm not a "wealthy Remainer". Patronising nonsense to think I am.

Cooper or even Burnham are more likely to appeal to the centre ground.

Just like Milliband supposedly did?

I bet Labour would have won the last election and stopped this childish chaos if either of them had been leader.

Well they weren't elected Leader were they? The Lib Dems had a strong remain ticket in 2017. Reflect on that.

These diddums leave voters could read as well as I can and see they were being played by disaster capitalists

You recognise leavers were played but use tabloid style criticisms against Corbyn (dress sense, unelectable etc) thus falling into the same trap.

I'm sorry @GhostofFrankGrimes ,I'll do an up my own arse analysis of Corbyn and bore everyone rigid.
Or I'll speak my mind in snapshots so that people pay attention.

I am a 'poor' remainer and the leave voters have stolen most of my pension pot. Happy I am NOT.

Or I'll speak my mind in snapshots so that people pay attention.

Well that tactic worked wonders for the leave campaign..It was more moral panic than snapshot though.

So it appears I'm not erudite or worthy enough to criticise Corbyn. LMAO.
I don't know how old you are @GhostofFrankGrimes . Judging by the way you treat "centrist" as a dirty word, I'm guessing you aren't very old. Or you are as old as me and have been waiting for this moment when Corbyn types are getting more attention.
That's ok. Support Corbyn all you like.
I won't. I'll never vote Labour while he is leader. I voted Remain. I'm not rich. We are all about to get a lot poorer apart from disaster capitalists who are lapping this up.

every area of England except London voted leave as did Wales even the Southeast which is London commuter belt voted leave(51.8%), in the results the UK was divided into 12 areas only London Scotland and Northern Ireland had a remain majority the other 9 had a leave majority

Labour relies on MP's in Manchester, Birmingham Liverpool Northeast etc to stand a chance of getting power these are heavily vote leave areas

many socialists MP's like Tony Benn were euro sceptic at best and thought the EU was dangerous for ordinary people as it didn't work in their best interests

The austerity forced on Greece by the EU was not in the interests of the working class greeks at all, the EU didn't care about poor greeks it cared about it's institutions the amount of money spent over years and years going backwards and forwards between Brussels and Strasbourg would have paid the greek debt many times over

The Government doesn't care out ordinary people not this Government nor any before it whether Conservative, Labour, Liberal or whatever and the EU bureaucracy care even less

@TeacupDrama - but our economic situation is about to get significantly worse. And the poorest will suffer the most. Can't see how that is better.
Turkeys voting for Christmas.

And Liverpool voted Remain. Strongly.