Brexiteers, if there was a 'People's Vote' how would you vote?

[millsbynight]

For me? I'd flatly vote No Deal.

Would others vote to stay in the EU or agree to Teresa May's deal?

Everyone I know who voted Leave would still vote Leave (the same goes for those who voted Remain) so I'd be really curious to see what the outcome of a 2nd referendum would generate.

OutsideInTheGarden As an economist, you should know that successive Gov's spent NS oil revenues on keeping taxes down.
No one thought to save any of this money, like Norway did from the 1980's
What an earth has the Habsburgs got to do with present day Europe?

So trade in Asia has helped bring the world closer together but not trade in Europe? Chinese expansion in Asia is a huge threat to World peace, not too mention very cruel for the peoples involved.

You say the UN has helped keep the peace, an organisation that has not stopped a single significant conflict, doubtless because of the hatred between the members of the security council.

We are going to lose all these FTA's the EU has and though the EU takes a few years to get a deal, how long would it take 28 individual countries to negotiate one each with say, Canada?

Sure the world is growing, we can trade with almost any country in the World, companies like ARM and Diageo, trading in 180 countries, UK FS operate all over the world, its Leavers myth we cannot trade outside of the EU.

"Fortunately, our European cousins have already set precedents for free access to their Single Market, as well as new initiatives for streamlined electronic customs and borders (REX and ETIAS), and Britain will be able to start any new relationship from a position of regulatory equivalence and strategic partnership."

HAHAHAHAHA
Utter bollocks.

Well all of that diatribe is utter bollocks tbf.

Hyperbole and supposition backed with nothing.

Moussemoose - "Total and utter bollocks. Other agreements were made by many other countries prior to and after WW2. However the EU was formed by WesterEuropean countries with no wish for yet another war."
(Is that how it's done?)

The way to stop war in Europe is to keep a closer eye on the Germans :-)

I'm not anti-German by the way. I've lived there on two occasions, was even born there. Lovely people, beautiful country, lovely food (certainly in Bavaria where I was last). Just don't allow them too much power or put them in charge of things :-)

So leaving EU and turning our backs on Europe is the way to do that... you really are a card aren't you.

"The way to stop war in Europe is to keep a closer eye on the Germans"

Ahh another leaver who never got over the war.

The EU in all its forms has encouraged and facilitated peace in Europe. You can keep denying it, but it has been a major factor.

How did the UN keep the peace in NI? That's right, they weren't allowed in.
The GFA keeps the peace in NI.

1tisILeClerc - "Outside:
As long as you lose out more than anyone that did not vote for this chaos I am happy."

Once again the Remainer hatred and bile emerge. I voted Leave, I've never expressed a desire to see those who voted Remain suffer.

Anyway I won't be losing any of my EU 'freedoms' since I can get Irish citizenship if required (it won't be). My other half is from the EU27 and isn't even a British citizen (and no, she isn't worried in the slightest by Brexit and the supposed effect on EU citizens here). I work for a foreign-owned company which is pretty well insulated against short-term economic effects - we mostly have very long-term contracts and we don't employ many foreigners either. In short, I'm unlikely to suffer from Brexit or even if we remained in the EU.

Don't worry about me then, I'll be fine. Sorry your little Remainer revenge fantasy won't come true. :-)

jasjas1973 -"So leaving EU and turning our backs on Europe is the way to do that... you really are a card aren't you."

The UK is leaving a political organisation, not a continent. We're not leaving Europe, we are going to continue to trade (you Remainers are the ones insisting we won't).

So when we joined the EEC we turned our backs on the Commonwealth. Were you happy that we turned our backs on lots of brown and poor people? Sounds a bit racist to me.

Of course we are going to keep trading @OutsideInTheGarden . Why do you think we won't? And why do you think Remainers think we won't?
It will get harder and be more expensive. Is that a good thing?

Some 1700 British citizens living in France, many of whom couldn't vote, are highly likely to lose their jobs which require European citizenship. Is that just tough titty?

No one is insisting that trade won't take place, but that it will become more difficult.

The lack of customs union will seriously limit the ability of firms to take advantage of JIT deliveries and disrupt many supply lines. This increases costs to firms and consumers.

Borisbogtrotter - "The EU in all its forms has encouraged and facilitated peace in Europe. You can keep denying it, but it has been a major factor."

Trade, in all its forms has encouraged and facilitated peace in Europe.

There, FTFY.

Oh and what organisation has facilitated trade in Europe ? Where were trade disputes resolved?

That would be the EU.

There FTFY.

And there's trade functioning pretty well in Europe because ......

BorisBogtrotter - "No one is insisting that trade won't take place, but that it will become more difficult.

The lack of customs union will seriously limit the ability of firms to take advantage of JIT deliveries and disrupt many supply lines. This increases costs to firms and consumers."

Really? Most Remainers on here are claiming all our car manufacturing will relocate to the EU, our financial services will be devastated and move 100,000s of jobs to the EU, everyone will want to leave the UK because they hate us now, etc etc ad nauseum.

If the driving factor in a company is JIT then international supply chains wouldn't be at the top of your agenda. Decisions such as locating factories in different countries and shipping parts like the famous mini-camshaft to and fro across the Channel are not based upon any know kind of economics at all but rather on bungs/bribes/threats of industrial action. Please don't claim efficiency as the reason for the current set-up. It would be hard to think of a less efficient situation if you tried.

@OutsideInTheGarden

We didn't turn our backs on the CW, which is a lot of different nationalities, creeds and colours, the Queen has always remained its head and Charles will continue that... all whilst in the EU.

TBH the CW will no doubt whither away as our international importance diminishes (and esp when Charles dies) we are no longer top dog, countries like India, Canada, Australia will never again be dependant on the UK.

But w are leaving Europe, politically, you were the one who said we need to keep an eye on Germany (though that sounds a bit racist to me lol)

How is leaving the EU keeping a closer eye on Germany and its ambitions for a EU army?

Why don't you try answering the question instead of constant whataboutery.

bellinisurge - "And there's trade functioning pretty well in Europe because ...…"

Nice try but in actual fact the EU single market has been somewhat of a failure in promoting intra-EU trade. Of course this sounds counter-intuitive and you'll all call bollocks on it but please go off and do a bit of research. You'll need to do a good bit of reading so I don't expect you will bother but if you did you will find that there really isn't a great deal of economic evidence out there to show the positive effect on intra-EU trade of the single market.

Remainers, you have been lied to for so long you are incapable of critical thinking on the matter but just swallow EU propaganda hook, line and sinker.

I think i come up with a less efficient system @OutsideInTheGarden . It's called No Deal Brexit.

Show me your research @OutsideInTheGarden that says that cross border friction free trade is inefficient and hampers wealth creation across the EU. Can't wait to read it.

jasjas1973 - "We didn't turn our backs on the CW, which is a lot of different nationalities, creeds and colours, the Queen has always remained its head and Charles will continue that... all whilst in the EU.
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Imposing large tariffs on our former trading partners and discriminating against them in terms of immigration in favour of white Europeans isn't turning our backs on them? Wow! Just wow!
Contributing towards a situation whereby Germany (that well known coffee-producing nation) gets the lions' share of profits from coffee production leaving coffee-growing nations (including many Commonwealth ones) in poverty, unable to move up the supply chain into higher value-adding activities such as coffee processing (because of high tariffs on processed coffee products) isn't turning our backs on the Commonwealth / poor nations? Incredible!

Actually I agree, it's not turning our backs, it's distracting them, kicking them in the balls, taking all their money and then running away and building a wall to keep them out.

"Nice try but in actual fact the EU single market has been somewhat of a failure in promoting intra-EU trade."

Evidence for that?

The evidence against it is fairly easy to show:

ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Intra-EU_trade_in_goods_-_recent_trends#Evolution_of_intra-EU_trade_in_goods:_2002-2018

"Imposing large tariffs on our former trading partners and discriminating against them in terms of immigration in favour of white Europeans isn't turning our backs on them?"

Well we did change the act that made all commonwealth citizens in British citizens in 1968, and blocked their entry rights to the UK. Wouldn't be talking about that really.

Haven't got over the Empire?

bellinisurge - "Show me your research @OutsideInTheGarden that says that cross border friction free trade is inefficient and hampers wealth creation across the EU. Can't wait to read it."

You don't need research. Just look at a simple example. There are two factories, factory A and factory B.
Factory A, produces all it's products and the components that go into it on one site.
Facory B, produces only some of it's components on site, imports the rest of them, sends many components abroad for processing before re-importing them for final assembly.

Now, ceteris paribus (all other things remaining equal) which factory is the more efficient one? You really don't need a degree in economics to work this one out. Even a degree from the Early Learning Centre (my alma mater according to one of you lot on here) will enable you to work out the correct answer.

Honestly I can't believe I'm having to explain this. Then again, the problem is that the Remainer argument is based on and and virtue-signalling and not on economics or facts.

I think there is a film about it. 'The Empire strikes back'?