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Westministenders: Game Over?

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RedToothBrush · 09/11/2018 16:32

May has a draft deal which she has presented to the Cabinet. Woohooo!

The catch is, it doesn't mention the Irish Border. Just a minor point. This is because she has no way forward on it. There are so many red lines from so many different groups shes tangled up in knots with them.

She wrote a letter to the DUP to tell them to suck it up. Arlene has told her to stick it. And if she hadn't told her to stick it, Scottish Tories would have told her to stick it. David Davis has told her to stick it. Rees-Moog has told her to stick it. And this afternoon, one of the Ministers for Queues at Dover, Jo Johnson, told her to stick it and that we need a people's vote. On top of that, her plans to try and get cross party support and get the Labour Party to support it, have suffered a blow as Momentum voted to tell May to stick it.

In fact it might be harder to think of people who WILL support it.

Not that this is a surprise. We've all be aware of this for some time. Is it finally game over?

The government have at least seemingly realised that this month is the last opportunity they have for a deal. Dominic has also realised that Dover is quite close to France and this is quite a big deal.

The EU pushed back their meeting until the 27th. This coincidentally is the same day there is a decision over a50 at the ECJ and the right to revoke.

If May can't get her act together over the Irish Border, this might yet prove to be the last option open to her, to prevent Brexmaggeddon.

Jo Johnson is not too far from the mark with vassalage or chaos? Take your pick Mrs May.

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Mightybanhammer · 12/11/2018 14:15

Can anyone do a link to the new three blokes in a pub video?
Can't find a recent one unless it's the Sunderland one?

bellinisurge · 12/11/2018 14:18

Does this work?
The host channel is Graham Hughes - the scouse one.

Mightybanhammer · 12/11/2018 14:21

Fab Bella Bellini, thank you Smile

Hazardswan · 12/11/2018 14:37

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/gordon-brown-believes-second-brexit-13577914

Gordon Brown believes there will be a final say referendum -to paraphrase the article- because he believes it's a shitshow and utter bollocks that will divide like never before in modern democracy.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/11/2018 14:39

Someone who "hates the nationalism in Scotland" 🤔

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/3421581-To-hate-the-nationalism-in-Scotland

prettybird You are needed !

Quietrebel · 12/11/2018 14:43

1tisILeClerc
Lol

DGRossetti · 12/11/2018 14:43

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/12/brexit-plan-complete-shambles-uk-boss-of-thyssenkrupp-says

The Conservative party is failing business in the pursuit of pushing through a Brexit deal, the head of one of Germany’s largest industrial firms in the UK has said.

Terry Sargeant, the chairman and CEO of ThyssenKrupp in the UK, said the party was putting its own survival ahead of industry.

As Theresa May struggles to win cabinet and EU support for her Brexit plan, Sargeant warned of a wave of layoffs if there was no deal.

“It is a complete shambles. They have failed business. The Tory party aren’t making decisions for business, they are making decisions to prevent an implosion in their own party.”

(contd)

BigChocFrenzy · 12/11/2018 14:44

Gordon Brown is worried about the divisiveness of "the next 2 years of negotiation"

  1. Without a WA, there'll be no transition period; we just crash out on 29 March
  • which will cause a hell of a lot more problems than negotiating
  1. If he is assuming there will be a WA and transition, then 2 years is nowhere near long enough to negotiate any trade deal
  • unless we just sign on the dotted line where the EU, the US etc tell us
BigChocFrenzy · 12/11/2018 14:45

The Tory party is putting its own interests ahead of the entire country, not just business

Hazardswan · 12/11/2018 15:07

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-spain-pedro-sanchez-peoples-vote-referendum-final-say-theresa-may-a8629461.html

Spanish PM who came to power after a no confidence vote also thinks we should have another ref, it doesn't have to be now but in the future.

he's handsome as well

Talkstotrees · 12/11/2018 15:50

Gosh! He is handsome. Swoon. Can we have one like that please?

1tisILeClerc · 12/11/2018 16:01

Sorry, a diversion for DGR who might appreciate this from the Independent.
{The Air Astana statement called the incident, with some understatement, “an unplanned landing,” saying: “Embraer 190, callsign KС 1388, conducted a ferry flight from the Lisbon Aviation Technical Centre when, due to technical reasons the crew decided to perform an unplanned landing.
“At 15.26 UTC the aircraft safety landed at the airport of Beja. There were no passengers on board.”
After the landing, speculation on the pilots’ forum continued. “Being an Embraer 190 pilot myself, I think they probably turned it off and on again,” wrote “SigWit”.
“That usually fixes any problem on the plane.”}
I know on your PC or mobile a power off reboot is sometimes good but not in a plane in flight!
There were a couple of injuries but fortunately no casualties.

1tisILeClerc · 12/11/2018 16:02

{Gosh! He is handsome. Swoon. Can we have one like that please?}
Calm down ladies, he's got a country to run!!

DGRossetti · 12/11/2018 16:07

I know on your PC or mobile a power off reboot is sometimes good but not in a plane in flight!

Well, SOP for Spitfires was to try to restart the engine, if they had a fault. There was a Time Team special a while back where they excavated a Spitfire that crashed in France. I can't recall the exact details, but they deduced that the pilot was trying to restart the engine as he had "feathered" the propeller ...

woman11017 · 12/11/2018 16:11

It's quite 'End is Nighy' today isn't it.

Mightybanhammer · 12/11/2018 16:13

I'm baggsying DGR for the pub quiz Wink

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 12/11/2018 16:14

Gosh! He is handsome. Swoon. Can we have one like that please?

He is handsome but I’d be delighted to settle for one who looked like the love-child of John Prescott and an orangutan if he/she could get us out of this mess...

woman11017 · 12/11/2018 16:16

Just posted on twitter.

"After 30 years in the UK, wife, mother and grandmother of British citizens, after teaching thousands of students over 2 decades...after all that...I will have to apply to stay in my own home with my own family"

and a reply

"You know my views on this but for anyone who missed it, this is a national fucking disgrace. Brexiters, apathetic remainers, hang your heads in shame at what you are allowing to happen. A word of warning, if you think this only applies to EU citizens think again"

Food shortages, army deployed and relaxed police powers will make it very very sticky for every single one of us.

Word is that UKIP MEPs are already celebrating the crash out.

DGRossetti · 12/11/2018 16:18

I'm baggsying DGR for the pub quiz

Ah, I'd let you down. First question about where the electronic borders in the EU are, and I'd be stumped.

Pre-Raphaelites, Led Zeppelin, the history of Salvatore Giuliano, and the writings of Carlos Castaneda - I'm the person Grin.

Maybe we need a rebel leader like Giuliano ?

Westministenders: Game Over?
RedToothBrush · 12/11/2018 16:18

Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
As expected, Labour will use a debate tomorrow to try to force a vote in Commons that would make the govt publish the legal advice on the troubled backstop proposal - with Brexiteers and DUP on board hard to see how ministers avoid having to accept in the end

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1tisILeClerc · 12/11/2018 16:20

{Word is that UKIP MEPs are already celebrating the crash out.}
Is that something like a 'premature ejection'?

1tisILeClerc · 12/11/2018 16:22

DGR
I didn't think you were allowed to put selfies up on MN.

DGRossetti · 12/11/2018 16:22

Anyone else getting a sense of deja vu ?

Last time the government was "forced" to publish something, didn't they just ignore it ? And Bad Boy Bercow just went shrug ?

Or wasn't there another time when they were forced to publish something, and it turned out there was nothing to publish ?

To be honest, I was going to wash my hair tomorrow. I really can't see anything that's going to top that for being better for me when compared to the omnishambles clusterfuck that Brexit continues to be.

DGRossetti · 12/11/2018 16:26

DGR I didn't think you were allowed to put selfies up on MN.

You need to know your Italians (and word of warning, Giuliano was a Sicilian nationalist ... so calling him "Italian" would not have gone down well. It's not just the English and Irish with a complicated past).

Here's my namesake, as a distinguished Victorian Gent. You'd never know that he exhumed his wife for some filthy lucre poems, and kept a menagerie in Cheyne Walk, by the embankment.

Westministenders: Game Over?
BigChocFrenzy · 12/11/2018 16:30

This was on an election poster in Spain 3 years ago, "showing" the leader of a new party there
< which somehow was have saved on my iPad Blush >

In the Uk & US, politics seems to follow the description of "showbiz for ugly people"
Spain doesn't