Westministenders: Deadline Day #1

[RedToothBrush]

We have hit another Deadline Day.

As it stands, the EU are looking for more progress. May is digging in her heels by suggesting there is new a requirement for backstop to a backstop. The backstop to all intents and purposes is the GFA. So May is saying in effect, that the EU are forcing her to put in provisions to protect an international agreement we are signed up to, and if we breech it we risk peace in NI.

After lots of noise it seems that the Cabinet have decided to stick by May. For now.

The EU look like they are talking as if their meeting next month will exclude the UK and just go straight to No Deal planning.

There is also other talk of alternatives to allow the UK to stay in the customs union. But theres not much to that and it still doesn't solve the ERG and the DUP problem.

May is vastly unestimating how much the ERG and the DUP want to break the GFA. Which is a huge misjudgment.

There is also talk of the final final Deadline Day actually being Dec 13. For various reasons its not. Thats 29th March.

So Wednesday is Deadline Day #1. Expect more.

@lonelyplanetmum

www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/18/scisys_sidesteps_brexit_with_a_proposed_irish_listing_to_keep_eu_space_work_rolling_in/

As the wailing and gnashing of teeth over what will become of the UK space industry in a post-Brexit world continues, British firms are sidestepping the flapping of politicians and making their own plans.

While the likes of Airbus continue to warn of the need to shift operations to centres within the EU so it can continue to bid and work on EU-funded projects, such as Galileo and Copernicus, UK communications services outfit SCISYS instead said it planned to simply shift its holding company to Ireland.

The proposal, which it is due to put to shareholders later this month, will see the old SCISYS become a wholly owned subsidiary of a newly created New SCISYS. The old SCISYS would then be delisted from London's AIM and New SCISYS, a public limited company incorporated in Ireland, would be admitted to both the Enterprise Securities Market of Euronext Dublin (ESM) and also AIM.

(contd)

Enough of this doom and gloom, can someone tell me of any BRITISH owned and run companies which are shunning these devil incarnates in Brussels and taking on new high skilled workers and making Britain great again?
You can shout all at once if you like!

If my dd is THAT good at STEM stuff as she seems to be , I will encourage her to ply her trade in whatever country she is happy living and working in. If that's the UK, it's her decision. If it's anywhere else in the world, that's her decision and I would support her in either. Luckily, she is entitled to EU citizenship (Ireland) so that's a start.

If my dd is THAT good at STEM stuff as she seems to be , I will encourage her to ply her trade in whatever country she is happy living and working in. If that's the UK, it's her decision. If it's anywhere else in the world, that's her decision and I would support her in either. Luckily, she is entitled to EU citizenship (Ireland) so that's a start.

I think people with dual nationality will find themselves more attractive than people without, depending on employer and industry.

...what will become of the UK space industry in a post-Brexit
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there's nothing funny about this whole debacle.
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Hopefully DDs boyf. will be able to find work in Ireland or elsewhere once he has a degree. He's not entitled to other passports though and has borrowed a lot to do his course.

It's especially galling when you specifically choose a course with integral work experience (and worked to get higher grades to make it onto that course) and then it's ditched.

I guess the industry are saying there's so much doubt and strain at the moment that they are no longer prepared to take students for a year as they did before.

Hazard So scary and frustrating about meds for your DP 💐

I wonder how many tens of thousands of people are also at risk of not getting meds after no deal Brexit ... but remain in blissful ignorance

• including many who will have voted Leave

Rather like the elderly people in that home who gleefully announced they were voting Leave in June 2016,
but are now dismayed at their home closing down because the E27 carers left
They hadn't thought Brexit would take their home and turn their lives upside down

mobile.twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1052593289189298177

Great clip about brexit from a German satirical show. Perhaps the ERG should watch it, it might help them out.

I think the EU have had enough. The UK doesn't know what to do about the Irish border. They know the only way to solve it is single market/customs union. But headbangers like JRM and Jenkyns would block it, plus Mays red lines.

A reporter on sky today implied it was awful they went to the pub instead of sorting brexit, but why wouldn't they? What can they do? The UK is in chaos, they have nothing to work with. I suspect there are some in the EU who think they should teach us a lesson and let us crash out.

I wonder if Barnier has a free trade deal proposal all ready to go for when we are begging for a deal.

red disgraceful news about (DUP) civil servants ruling NI like this 😡
I read about the judge's ruling
This should be far more widely known - if the public ever paid attention to NI or to how they themselves are governed

Illustrates yet again that Brits are "subjects", far more than they are citizens.

Economics: Britain fell for a neoliberal con trick – even the IMF says so

but the con trick gave the neoliberals their Brexit, for yet more asset-stripping

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/17/economic-lies-neoliberalism-taxpayers

what this IMF research shows is that the Westminster classes have been asset-stripping Britain for decades
– and storing up financial trouble for future generations.

Belated place marking

"In the end the EU will break over this" (ie break their resolve, cave in, concede to what UK is demanding). Crispin Blunt on R5L just now.

Believe enough in unicorns and they will appear

What on earth does this mean ? 🤯

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/1018/1004960-brexit/

British Prime Minister Theresa May has told Taoiseach Leo Varadkar she accepted that the backstop to avoid a hard border could not be time-limited, with an expiry date,
according to a Government source.

< I hope Leo had his phone on record >

However, it is understood both leaders agreed during a bilateral meeting in Brussels last night that the backstop could be temporary, but only unless and until a better solution emerged that would guarantee no hard border on the island of Ireland.

< I find those 2 statements are diammetrically opposed 🤯 >

"In the end the EU Uk will break (apart) over this" I think this is what he meant to say.

Not read the thread carefully, and not going to dignify the passing mcp with direct comment, save to say, BigChocFrenzy is one of the nicest, wisest and cleverest women I haven't yet met in real life.

Looking forward to a meet up one day with Lindt, Coffee and Riesling. And tablet, which is not really like brittle toffee peregrina much nicer!

No fixed expiry date set on it but it will expire if/when a better solution is agreed.

I'll bring the tablet I make exceedingly good tablet, even if I say so myself took me 13 batches and two different recipes/techniques before I could make it consistently

KenDodd - I think you're right

Mrs8 and prettybird you're on.

I do think we should have a meet up if brexit gets cancelled. With all of the above mentioned food. If anyone likes proper Cornish pasties I will be delighted to bring Philps' finest.

And rodda's clotted cream.

It’s actually very informative when the occasional Brexit-relates thread breaks out into AIBU. The sheer amount of head-in-sand-Dunning-Kruger-esque arrogant ignorance is a real sight to behold.

Apparently No Deal despite meaning, well, no deals, will nevertheless somehow definitely not stop [thing that Leaver wants] because “it’s innate common sense” 🙄 I slightly want to ask whether No Deal will, similarly, manage to have a magical effect to stop [thing that Leaver doesn’t want].

It’s like people think putting an X on a slip of paper in 2016 grants Santa a direct link into their own personal desires, to be granted in perpetua.

I love clotted cream - especially as I can eat spoonfuls of it on MN HFLC BootCamp (Memo to self: put some on the list for my next trip to Tesco/Sainsbury's)