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Westministenders: Deadline Day #1

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RedToothBrush · 16/10/2018 22:41

We have hit another Deadline Day.

As it stands, the EU are looking for more progress. May is digging in her heels by suggesting there is new a requirement for backstop to a backstop. The backstop to all intents and purposes is the GFA. So May is saying in effect, that the EU are forcing her to put in provisions to protect an international agreement we are signed up to, and if we breech it we risk peace in NI.

After lots of noise it seems that the Cabinet have decided to stick by May. For now.

The EU look like they are talking as if their meeting next month will exclude the UK and just go straight to No Deal planning.

There is also other talk of alternatives to allow the UK to stay in the customs union. But theres not much to that and it still doesn't solve the ERG and the DUP problem.

May is vastly unestimating how much the ERG and the DUP want to break the GFA. Which is a huge misjudgment.

There is also talk of the final final Deadline Day actually being Dec 13. For various reasons its not. Thats 29th March.

So Wednesday is Deadline Day #1. Expect more.

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MyBrexitUnicornDied · 17/10/2018 22:30

Maybe they will use my responses to lock me up when they start rounding people up

Ooh I’ve never been to a mumsnet meet up before. Could be fun Grin

MyBrexitUnicornDied · 17/10/2018 22:34

So this popped up on my Facebook feed. Angry

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BigChocFrenzy · 17/10/2018 22:37

Fox You had me worried there - I wan't sure what I'd asked you to do for a moment ! 🙀

Whatthefoxgoingon · 17/10/2018 22:38

What?

BC said I could....

woman11017 · 17/10/2018 22:39

MEP spots what we did 2 years ago.

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OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 17/10/2018 22:40

Umm...

@jessicaelgot
At the #WomenRule event, Liz Truss is asked about ways austerity has particularly affected poorer women. She denies that it has - and says women benefit from “modern economy” because 66% of AirBnBs are rented by women.

We can convince you austerity never happened by confusing the crap out of you?

BigChocFrenzy · 17/10/2018 22:41

Trees govt consulation document for a UK-USA trade deal
this is where you FILL IN THE SURVEY - to try to rein back the Great Britain sell-off by a well-known Werrity-sniffer:

<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=consultations.trade.gov.uk/policy/consultation-on-trade-negotiations-with-the-us" target="_blank">https://consultations.trade.gov.uk/policy/consultation-on-trade-negotiations-with-the-us/

Havanananana · 17/10/2018 22:45

David Davis to be interim PM and negotiate with the EU?

We all remember the famous photo from the last time he was in charge of negotiations...

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borntobequiet · 17/10/2018 22:46

Lots of catching up to do after a nice day out. Put £10 on a general election this year, 12/1, Ladbrokes. Bookie laughed at me but a punter said “You’re onto it, girl” (I’m 65, but appreciate these little courtesies).

Icantreachthepretzels · 17/10/2018 22:52

Thanks for the survey ink BigChoc - I just finished filling it in. Much quicker than the GRA one.

Do they often put up consultations for trade agreements?

borntobequiet · 17/10/2018 22:56

Done the consultation. No idea what it’s supposed to achieve.

BigChocFrenzy · 17/10/2018 22:57

British prime minister needs things to get worse before they can get better. 😂

Relax & chill for a moment < soothing >
Funny but too flattering explanation of May's strategy

(she doesn't actually have one except "When in danger or in doubt, run in circles scream and shout")

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-deal-negotiation-kamikaze-theresa-may/

The runway is in sight, the lights are on, but Theresa May has to wait for the last possible break in the storm clouds to try to land her juddering Brexit jumbo.

Last weekend, negotiators from both sides identified the likely landing zone,
pinning down key parameters of an agreement on Britain’s withdrawal from the European Union and the first outlines of a long-term relationship.

Aboard the lurching airliner, sirens are screaming,
the fuel gauge is on zero,
vomit bags are at the ready,
and oxygen masks are dangling.

But the passengers will have to be far more scared
before the British prime minister can risk a final approach to the narrow airstrip,
praying the plane will not blow up on landing or overshoot the tarmac.

When the details of her plan became clear, rebels in May’s Conservative Party and her Northern Ireland allies threatened to storm the cockpit,
defenestrate the pilot
and crash the plane if she dared go into the landing.

So great was the political turbulence that May told the EU control tower she needed to circle a while longer before attempting another descent. 😂

May’s best hope of outmaneuvering her opponents is to move late, fast and ruthlessly.
The real deadline is December.

Whether or not we get a Brexit deal that permits a relatively gentle glide path toward a new economic and political partnership
hinges on May’s ability to keep hold of the joystick and convince mutineers in her crew they will all die together
if they force her to change course.

We’re not quite there yet.
< more fun-filled months to go 🤯 >

Talkstotrees · 17/10/2018 23:01

Thanks Bigchoc. Completed.

BigChocFrenzy · 17/10/2018 23:01

Preztels I'm nearly Born's age and I've never seen one before

Learning new transparancy habits from the EU,
or trying to cover their arses for later - when the country screams while being buggered by the US without a please or KY

Talkstotrees · 17/10/2018 23:03

I quite enjoyed the survey - it was therapeutic to articulate my concerns. Smile

RedToothBrush · 17/10/2018 23:17

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
Bad news and good for May from the EU27, whose Brexit dinner has just finished. “Not enough progress has been achieved” for a special summit in November, but talks should go on, and they will call one the moment Barnier declares there has been. No10 will take that. #EUCO

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Icantreachthepretzels · 17/10/2018 23:19

I've never seen one before

Thanks. I did wonder if maybe this happened every time we negotiated anything and up until now I had just been woefully ignorant and disengaged from politics - or if something ... new is happening. Does make me wonder why now - and what for - and what they're gearing up to?

it was therapeutic to articulate my concerns

me too - though I assume they will simply disregard my entry as it doesn't tell them what they want to hear.

BigChocFrenzy · 17/10/2018 23:30

red Looking at previous EU negotiations when someone was strapped down over a barrel but was in denial
e.g. Greece

The EU will make all the right noises about negotiating , but actually do nothing,
until the other party finally realises it's this or Armageddon
and gives in

BigChocFrenzy · 17/10/2018 23:41

Antonio Tajani@EPPresident
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Deal, or no deal, that is the question. The @Europarl_EN will not approve Brexit agreement without resolving these 3 key points.
defend the rights of EU citizens living in the UK
honouring existing financial commitments
the backstop for Ireland

Even if the other 26 heads of govt wanted to throw the RoI under the bus, for trade - which, except for Orban, they don't -
the European Parliament would refuse to ratify the Withdrawal Agreement

They are still sticking to the original 3 prerequisites that Barnier laid down, before discussing trade.

After a no deal Brexit, the EP - and the heads of govt - would refuse to start trade negotiations with the UK until the UK has settled the same outstanding issues that it refused for a WA.
Those 3 won't go away.

RedToothBrush · 18/10/2018 00:10

David Aaronovitch @DAaronovitch
I recommend listening to Dominic Grieve MP's full interview on @bbcradio4 World Tonight when it becomes available. It's becoming clear that the assurances made to MPs about a meaningful vote are about to reneged upon.

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spacechimp · 18/10/2018 00:17

Delurking to say thank you for the US trade agreement consultation. Filling that in has made me feel slightly better. I imagine it won't make much difference, but it's hard feeling so powerless

Thank you for these threads. I have really struggled with Brexit anxiety over the last two years and have had to take big chunks of time out as it messes with my head too much. But I will be marching on Saturday

RedToothBrush · 18/10/2018 00:29

Another idiot MP gem here:

Jessica elgot @ jessicaelgot
At the #WomenRule event, Liz Truss is asked about ways austerity has particularly affected poorer women. She denies that it has - and says women benefit from “modern economy” because 66% of AirBnBs are rented by women.

Not sure how you get to AirBnb rental statistics from that question, but there we are...

“Women could rent out their spare bedrooms... oh wait, about that...”

Okkkkayyyyy

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SingingBabooshkaBadly · 18/10/2018 00:59

It’s time to stand aside and let someone who can negotiate get on with it and deliver. I fully support DD as an interim leader.

Hahahahahahahah! Never realised Nadine had such a great sense of humour!

Oh, wait, maybe she’s talking about some other David Davis and not the thick as mince David Davis whose actual job it was to negotiate and deliver but who couldn’t quite be bothered to meet Barnier for more than a total of a few hours or to read any of the papers his department produced unless they were distilled into a single side of A4. That must be it because you’d have to be an utter imbecile to want that David Davis back anywhere near negotiations or as interim PM. Oh, hang on...

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 18/10/2018 01:01

Whathtefox I’m sure you could find a few Leavers who would be happy for you to try out your amateur surgery skills on them. After all, they’ve had enough of experts...

BigChocFrenzy · 18/10/2018 01:43

NI Peace Process, EU, Barnier

A little history explaining why the EU and Barnier in particular have been committed to the peace process ever since the GFA
It's not something they suddenly invented to block Brexit

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/michel-barnier-an-energetic-supporter-of-ireland-in-brexit-woes-1.3478214

When Michel Barnier visits Derry ... as part of his tour of Ireland, the city will just have celebrated the launch of a new four-year project funded by the EU’s Peace IV programme.
...
Barnier was responsible for the EU Peace programmes in Northern Ireland, crucial underpinnings of the agreement.
He signed off on hundreds of millions of euro of EU support for both the Derry region and the North.

Barnier has often spoken emotionally of how important that work was to him
and how it informs his engagement with and commitment to Irish issues in the Brexit talks.